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F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
42. I think you may be mistaken...
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:24 PM
Nov 2015

I do not consider myself a Sanders supporter. It took me quite a while to even consider voting for him after he started running. For a little while, I thought I might be able to go further than voting and actually support him, but his supporters have since convinced me otherwise. Right now, I can't even say I will vote for him when people ask me whether I support him.

His supporters have been my biggest turnoff. It was right after the BLM demonstration in Seattle that I came to a firm conclusion that his movement will never be my movement. He doesn't represent me--his focus on economics is opposite of what I've learned will bring us forwards. Without centering on trans lives, on PoC, on women--any of the oppressed--they will inevitably be left behind.

I have done my darndest to convince liberals in Seattle that BLM is even more important than the Sanders campaign. That building local communities and understanding our neighbors will do much more for the world than voting once and forgetting about it. That maybe, in fact, we are white supremacists. Nobody will even talk about it, let alone agree. The only ones that do are the ones that already had it figured out, the ones that I'm still learning from.

This OP was because I'm not sure if I can be part of his movement. He's about as true of a liberal as they come, and I'm not sure that his movement won't do more damage then harm. There's immense possibility and drive for a genuine third-party workers/minority movement, but he's taking that energy and dropping it into the Democratic party, something I am very uncomfortable with. He's avoiding discussing the fervent attacks by his supporters on any minority that dares to think otherwise. He's not calling out the inherent injustices in our Constitution and our form of government.

This movement doesn't represent me. You say I have a lot of work to do, but I'm not sure I even want to be near this movement, let alone supporting it.

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Convince me to stay a liberal. [View all] F4lconF16 Nov 2015 OP
It's not my job ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #1
Truth. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #3
Hell, convince me first! bravenak Nov 2015 #2
I'm sorry... F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #4
Trash that group bravenak Nov 2015 #6
Fair enough F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #7
+1000! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #33
All I got to say about this... Look at the people MAKING those comments and the people Number23 Nov 2015 #5
Yeah...and i just got a massive dose of it at a gathering tonight. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #8
Unfortunately, it's up to intelligent, decent Sanders supporters to try to turn this around Number23 Nov 2015 #38
I think you may be mistaken... F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #42
Yeah, I did misread that! I thought you were a strong Sanders supporter. Number23 Nov 2015 #59
Damn straight. bravenak Nov 2015 #44
I don't see how we can turn them around gollygee Nov 2015 #61
"I can't wait for the primaries to be over." Number23 Nov 2015 #70
+1 lovemydog Nov 2015 #11
+!0000000000 Cha Nov 2015 #17
+1000! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #29
I have been waiting for months for Sanders to say something about this behavior from his supporters Number23 Nov 2015 #37
I know, it's probably my conspiracy state of mind. Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #39
Actually, those posts echo much of what socialist groups have been saying for a while... F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #43
"Crisis averted for the establishment," exactly! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #67
The attitude we are seeing here, that I cant characterize the way I want to as if I did randys1 Nov 2015 #40
I don't know any POC who is politically Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #69
Don't think about labels. Think about process, Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #9
Thank you, Starry~ you're so smart! Cha Nov 2015 #14
I should have read the responses JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #22
On point and on target brer cat Nov 2015 #24
A good post... F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #45
Well, I'm a socialist too. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #51
Do you have a link to information on your school of socialism? F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #54
WOW ... Well put and very sound counsel. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #63
Aw, thanks everyone! Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #71
There's cool & creepy folks lovemydog Nov 2015 #10
+1000! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #31
Btw: i recognized the fraud of it all to. bravenak Nov 2015 #12
bernieso#BLM.. Cha Nov 2015 #16
Audacious. bravenak Nov 2015 #18
Presumptuous. Cha Nov 2015 #19
I say! Just so. bravenak Nov 2015 #20
so what will you become instead? uhnope Nov 2015 #13
Some form of socialist. Though I am already. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #46
I'm not too into labels. lovemydog Nov 2015 #73
"Not Sanders".. I like this part, F4lconF Cha Nov 2015 #15
Wow JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #21
Excellent post, Gen~ Thank you. Cha Nov 2015 #23
+ a million, JAG. brer cat Nov 2015 #25
Yes ma'am... giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #26
I love this! Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #28
+1000, Preach! Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #32
Thank you for this post. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #48
zOMG! What JAG said! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #78
Ah, you think too much. betsuni Nov 2015 #27
I'm not sure how exactly this is relevant F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #49
Not surprising my response isn't relevant because I didn't understand your OP. betsuni Nov 2015 #60
If Sanders isnt the nominee you are voting for some left candidate other than Hillary? randys1 Nov 2015 #30
Not quite. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #53
Oh, so I was completely confused. sorry...either way, we vote for whoever the candidate is randys1 Nov 2015 #64
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the loser kitchcen Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #34
Good advice...thank you for your thoughts. nt F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #50
Because the conservative side is even more useless? Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #35
There's great wisdom in all the questions lovemydog Nov 2015 #36
The US presidency is not a dictatorship. Jimmy Carter is one of the kindest JI7 Nov 2015 #41
No ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #47
Thank you. F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #52
.. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #58
...^ that 840high Nov 2015 #55
Don't give up on us...white people are just a little dumb when it comes to this stuff. GitRDun Nov 2015 #56
I've never defined myself as a liberal. kwassa Nov 2015 #57
Sorry, no can do. You are on your own. nc4bo Nov 2015 #62
F4lconF16, just some random, disconnected thoughts ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #65
AFAm have had good reason to not just give up a long time ago but do so with vengeance randys1 Nov 2015 #68
+1 lovemydog Nov 2015 #74
You don't need to be a liberal to vote for Sanders or any other Dem BainsBane Nov 2015 #66
You articulated something I have "felt" quite well here JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #77
Just wanted to post what activists, working from their hearts, Kind of Blue Nov 2015 #72
Just vote your conscience. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #75
Well, consider the GOP contolling all levels of government Gloria Nov 2015 #76
A Comparison Between Sailing And Politics: KittyWampus Nov 2015 #79
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