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carolinayellowdog

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47. not "getting it" is far milder than what you're seeing-- it's sadistic authoritarianism

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 09:41 AM

Jul 2013

There's a common theme in this and earlier divisive topics-- some always side with the state against the individual, the powerful against the powerless, kiss up and kick down. Cheering on chained CPI out of loyalty to government, cruelly indifferent to the suffering it would entail for millions. Cheering on the "catch, punish, kill the traitor" bloodlust against Snowden out of a very perverse version of patriotism. And now excusing murder as legal, because the state is always right and the powerless individual always wrong.

The "Trayvon was motivated by homophobia" stuff is the absolute worst of all of it I've seen yet. That's not gutter tactics but straight from the depths of hell, trying to manipulate one minority into hostility/indifference to another.

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Am I the only one shocked at how many DUers still don't "get it?" [View all] Blue_Tires Jul 2013 OP

It wasn't like this years ago. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #1

Thanks...My memory is hazy but I didn't think DU had always been like this... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #4

I don't know what happened but DU has changed. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #6

There is a lot more money being spent..... daleanime Jul 2013 #48

These seems a little paranoid oberliner Jul 2013 #61

No, he's saying better propaganda is affecting people who were previously unaffected by it. ieoeja Jul 2013 #68

That is the big share of it. daleanime Jul 2013 #76

That makes sense oberliner Jul 2013 #81

I said something similar hfojvt Jul 2013 #89

Do you think the people who would spend millions.... daleanime Jul 2013 #70

To what end? oberliner Jul 2013 #82

I heaven05 Jul 2013 #99

compassionate conservatism has infested the site frylock Jul 2013 #107

Lets keep in mind all our dirty laundry is being shown. Neoma Jul 2013 #41

NEOMA is RIGHT. I can not tell you how many times I used to see those MADem Jul 2013 #104

how many years ago? hfojvt Jul 2013 #87

Your words well put. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #93

Carlos Jacinto jaysunb Jul 2013 #106

The fact that you think that BBI came from "the left" is pretty much all I need to know Number23 Jul 2013 #137

Old Leftie Lawyer has passed away? Whisp Jul 2013 #168

Didn't Walt Starr ask for it? MADem Jul 2013 #169

:) M0rpheus Jul 2013 #170

Ah, yes, there it is!!!! nt MADem Jul 2013 #172

he did, but before that happened, he had several threads locked hfojvt Jul 2013 #171

because there is a disconnect Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #2

nope handmade34 Jul 2013 #5

who threw the first Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #7

I don't handmade34 Jul 2013 #9

you can't convict Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #11

People have been convicted on "feeling", i.e., how well the prosecutor sells the case to the jury Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #22

If the jury had used their common sense... SeaLyons Jul 2013 #43

"Please don't kill me. Oh, God, man, please don't kill me." You could hear the tears in the voice. ieoeja Jul 2013 #72

I don't buy the "that's how the law works" bullshit. They gave GZ the benefit of the doubt and he GoneFishin Jul 2013 #27

'George should have stayed in his fucking car. He knew that. He ignored that.' freshwest Jul 2013 #84

and to think that I got a post deleted yesterday hfojvt Jul 2013 #79

still trying to sell that racist, bullshit lie, eh? noiretextatique Jul 2013 #111

you provide very little, almost no evidence, for calling something a "racist, bullshit lie" hfojvt Jul 2013 #112

You need to keep this crap out of this forum. This type of bullshit is not welcome here Number23 Jul 2013 #138

but how else hfojvt Jul 2013 #142

lol Honey there is no one on this web site that thinks you ventured into the African American Number23 Jul 2013 #143

Zimmerman was hunting - any black that night would have been his prey rurallib Jul 2013 #29

It's pretty obvious that Zimmerman made the first move, he was the aggressor AndyA Jul 2013 #30

this heaven05 Jul 2013 #38

The jury should have been informed of Florida law which states that in self-defense cases, the 1monster Jul 2013 #77

I'm talking about general issues beyond the scope of the verdict... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #10

I think it was wrong, but legal. Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #14

You mean a conviction would have been easier if the cops didn't half-ass it Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #20

doubt it Niceguy1 Jul 2013 #21

Thanks for beautifully illustrating my OP Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #23

In other words, Niceguy is just completely dismissing the moral ramifications Scootaloo Jul 2013 #25

produced heaven05 Jul 2013 #56

produced a result he can live with and sleep soundly at night with SemperEadem Jul 2013 #174

this heaven05 Jul 2013 #39

Maybe this will calm some folks down a bit: Jimmy Carter says the jury was right 7962 Jul 2013 #31

keep heaven05 Jul 2013 #42

ANd here he is folks! My own personal DU mental analyst! 7962 Jul 2013 #62

No heaven05 Jul 2013 #64

100th time: I do NOT support zimmerman. 7962 Jul 2013 #66

+10000 time heaven05 Jul 2013 #95

oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #71

hey, at least youre calling me "slick" now 7962 Jul 2013 #74

figures heaven05 Jul 2013 #44

not a chance... handmade34 Jul 2013 #54

Jimmy Carter as proof of a just trial against a black teenager...WTH??? onpatrol98 Jul 2013 #91

I never know with Carter... onpatrol98 Jul 2013 #92

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #97

Absolutely NOT. And i dont recall seeing this question posed to me. All you said was: 7962 Jul 2013 #114

justice heaven05 Jul 2013 #119

I guess we finally agree on something. But dont forget my answer, 7962 Jul 2013 #122

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #123

DWB heaven05 Jul 2013 #124

wtf noiretextatique Jul 2013 #101

i agree. it seems the prosecution agreed with the events that the defense put forth. ejpoeta Jul 2013 #32

No heaven05 Jul 2013 #102

divide and rule Swagman Jul 2013 #3

I am suspicious too. zeemike Jul 2013 #17

My thoughts exactly. A lot here sound exactly like George Bush 7962 Jul 2013 #33

Well in the African American GROUP JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #75

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #98

Since I never said any such thing, once again you fail 7962 Jul 2013 #117

quest heaven05 Jul 2013 #120

FAIL. Look in a dictionary for heavens sake. 7962 Jul 2013 #121

No one is labeling you as a racist JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #149

"Just", I didnt mean you were calling me a racist, 7962 Jul 2013 #154

I'm familiar with your posts JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #155

No, I dont think any of those things about martin 7962 Jul 2013 #160

No - there are no black racists JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #164

I know the world youre talking about 7962 Jul 2013 #165

Can I ask you a question JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #166

I'm not sure I know who the "guy in Philly" IS? 7962 Jul 2013 #167

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #136

Oh, that's the one that said that Bradley Manning was being treated worse than Civil Rights heroes Number23 Jul 2013 #139

Shhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #140

Well I have no idea what I am suposed to be looking for zeemike Jul 2013 #141

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #146

Well I still don't know what you are talking about. zeemike Jul 2013 #147

Really? JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #148

That is not what I said zeemike Jul 2013 #150

How is anything I wrote JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #151

I was not replying to you. zeemike Jul 2013 #152

Your posts are so ignorant. There are many white people that post in this forum Number23 Jul 2013 #156

Well you can count on it zeemike Jul 2013 #157

You tell yourself whatever you need to in order to make yourself feel better Number23 Jul 2013 #158

Yep esculate the hostility...n/t zeemike Jul 2013 #161

You have made your bed, now lie in it. For the last time, please stay out of this forum. Number23 Jul 2013 #162

You know for a "fact"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #163

You continue to � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #159

There isn't empthy anymore. If I had been on that jury I would have put myself in southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #8

THAT is the point I was trying to find Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #12

Yes I think that was a wonderful legacy my father and mother thought me. I try to see southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #18

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #78

Same problem the state atty and juruy had ceonupe Jul 2013 #13

I think you're a 100% right and no I never will understand your experience. n/t Inkfreak Jul 2013 #28

Boom! There ya go. I know I've told many of my friends when it comes to cops, 7962 Jul 2013 #37

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #45

So what I just posted is wrong info? No. You're not even making any sense now. 7962 Jul 2013 #63

yeah heaven05 Jul 2013 #65

carry on......... 7962 Jul 2013 #69

belive it or not ceonupe Jul 2013 #94

And that sux. So whats your thoughts on the whole CCW thing? 7962 Jul 2013 #113

I think it's because of the extra steps ceonupe Jul 2013 #115

Now THAT would be something! Their head may explode. 7962 Jul 2013 #118

don't heaven05 Jul 2013 #105

Huge changes here since the beginning. enough Jul 2013 #15

Agreed Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #26

Most of all I feel bad for poor Georgie Orrex Jul 2013 #16

In some posts, there seems to be a lack alsame Jul 2013 #19

And not just that, Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #24

Dear Blue_Tires Soundman Jul 2013 #52

We don't think you are racist because you thought the jury was technically correct within the law. ieoeja Jul 2013 #80

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #96

And the hits just keep on coming.... ieoeja Jul 2013 #109

What I meant was Soundman Jul 2013 #116

The GZ jury got it wrong libodem Jul 2013 #126

I've followed every aspect of the case from day one as well Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #83

Thanks for writing this JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #132

No � 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #135

So I'm not the only one to notice the loss of posters on DU. Sadly what was once a nice A Simple Game Jul 2013 #34

same here disillusioned73 Jul 2013 #85

I rarely post anymore Viva_La_Revolution Jul 2013 #128

I think It's great to debate about this, Sand Wind Jul 2013 #35

A WHOLE lot of DUers were openly on Zim's side from the start Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #40

+10000000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #46

can you show me some participants who celebrate the result ? Nt Sand Wind Jul 2013 #50

you heaven05 Jul 2013 #51

Yes I can go to YouTube, but will I know if they're DU participant ? Sand Wind Jul 2013 #53

And please don't make a reply title who make the impression that I'm one of them Sand Wind Jul 2013 #55

With heaven05 Jul 2013 #58

if you wanted to see it, you would see it noiretextatique Jul 2013 #173

Can you show me some DU participant who are celebrating the result ? Nt Sand Wind Jul 2013 #67

the dem party has gone big tent which means more inclusive, which means more centrist, which means dembotoz Jul 2013 #36

+1000 heaven05 Jul 2013 #60

not "getting it" is far milder than what you're seeing-- it's sadistic authoritarianism carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #47

Yes, and I don't get it why so many here are not more upset by the NSA too NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #49

I know I'm not one of those people JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #86

understandable NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #129

What doesn't resonate with me JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #133

sure, I understand... I've been arguing with people on Facebook about Trayvon NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #134

I've avoided most of those threads... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #90

try me out-- I really have not seen much good, deep analysis on the topic NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #130

because most of the stuff is conspiracy theory type crap JI7 Jul 2013 #144

Seems to me we've always had a "don't get it" streak here. sybylla Jul 2013 #57

That's another aspect I forgot to mention... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #59

I've read that under Florida law sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #73

speaking of not getting it...check out this post PLEASE!!! noiretextatique Jul 2013 #100

i am not shocked...some democrats are racists noiretextatique Jul 2013 #103

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #127

I think the site has attracted a lot of recovering Republicans Warpy Jul 2013 #108

Well, we DO have a couple of high post count DUers who are clearly RWers and have skated under the kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #110

Yep. Apophis Jul 2013 #125

I agree that DU has changed greatly, Blue_Tires. brer cat Jul 2013 #131

these days , not at all JI7 Jul 2013 #145

Blue_Tires, please stay. Please speak. LiberalAndProud Jul 2013 #153

Thanks for the kind words Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #175