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159. wow. now this issue is a conspiracy by Hillary against Sanders

Reply to nyabingi (Reply #139)

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 05:49 PM

Jan 2016

Coates has been writing about this issue before this primary.

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Ta-Nehisi Coates, Bernie Sanders, and Reparations [View all] nyabingi Jan 2016 OP

Before reading the piece, I will say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #1

Why do you say that? jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #105

Because in some quarters, anything unflattering towards a certian candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #120

And, LITERALLY IN AS MANY WORDS Recursion Jan 2016 #130

You'd have to actually read the piece to know that . . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #164

I read the piece. It's not a lengthy or difficult read. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #177

Because it holds him to his own standards. Just like when a Republican politician says they are stevenleser Jan 2016 #197

Thank you. This only seems to be difficult to understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #200

I will say amen to that... comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #202

As I have repeatedly said in the post about this in GDP... tishaLA Jan 2016 #2

Well, I think TNC and many others nyabingi Jan 2016 #26

Yes, it's the logical inconsistency of his position that Coates points out. wildeyed Jan 2016 #78

I just love everything you post. tishaLA Jan 2016 #82

That is such a nice thing to say! wildeyed Jan 2016 #84

I do, too! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #196

I disagree for a few reasons with Coates. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #106

I live in NC wildeyed Jan 2016 #127

Thanks for your service in working on grass roots campaigns and finance reform. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #185

What you're saying though sounds a lot like "some revolutionary ideas (like the ones the white MADem Jan 2016 #138

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #157

MWAH! Empowerer Jan 2016 #166

So if UHC is unrealistic aren't reparations unrealistic too? jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #178

You are completely missing TNC's point. You need to read his essay. MADem Jan 2016 #188

What's "impractical and very divisive" (Sanders' words) is Sanders' selective outrage. MADem Jan 2016 #141

I don't agree that free college and universal health care are "white-friendly" jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #182

Well, you don't have to agree, but they are. MADem Jan 2016 #184

You had a good movie line in your response. jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #187

If I'm being reductive, it's because I see that you aren't understanding TNC's point. MADem Jan 2016 #189

ZING. You are the opposite of wildeyed! You focused like a laser beam on the nub, the essence, of MADem Jan 2016 #137

Beautifully stated, as usual. Empowerer Jan 2016 #165

excellent observation... comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #203

I do believe that this is your first post here and you come in here solely to launch personal Number23 Jan 2016 #3

Yes, this is my first post here nyabingi Jan 2016 #29

You may find it suspicious but it's pretty clear that most people who have actually listened to Number23 Jan 2016 #73

I agree that Sanders sounds more like a standard jonestonesusa Jan 2016 #107

And you guys continue to track into this forum calling this a hit piece and an "attack" Number23 Jan 2016 #146

EXACTLY!!!! nt MADem Jan 2016 #158

Okay ... I read the piece and thought it was great ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #4

As usual, you've reached the crux of the matter and rage. Number23 Jan 2016 #5

But I'd beeter be careful ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #6

You really need to read the thread in GDP tishaLA Jan 2016 #8

Link? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #10

.... tishaLA Jan 2016 #11

tishaLA, that is a great thread you started. Your responses to the derp posts are terrific. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #50

uponit777 whupped some SERIOUS ass in that thread too Number23 Jan 2016 #74

Yes indeed uponit did! And you obliterated a few asses yourself! emulatorloo Jan 2016 #76

I should have read that last night. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #51

what i noticed about that thread is for days now we have had thread after thread from certain ones JI7 Jan 2016 #12

And that's what I think Coates is pointing to, this question of workability tishaLA Jan 2016 #14

You have fucking nailed it once again Number23 Jan 2016 #18

How many times have even the mildest suggestions that Sanders may not be able to accomplish all that Empowerer Jan 2016 #167

You noticed that too... randys1 Jan 2016 #54

NAILED IT! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #81

A very easy answer - because they think nonetheless he will do the most for them. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #28

Okay ... That would be one answer ...an answer without foundation; but, an answer none the less ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #34

I never said anyone had to believe that Bernie offers more. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #60

That's why I believe you should switch to O'Malley JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #63

I do and will support the candidate that I ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #64

I'm glad you wrote this JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #65

That's cool. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #87

Hillary supporters usually don't try to make her out to be something so Great that only she will do JI7 Jan 2016 #104

This. . . Empowerer Jan 2016 #168

"Trickle down justice" indeed! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #152

And when he doesn't after his first 90 days JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #52

I don't wish to offend, but what Civil Rights action did President Obama get done in the first 90? highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #61

Not offended but shocked! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #62

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #83

Or, the DoJ's action on Voter Rights! eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #88

Shhh at DU JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #116

Second, only to President Obama ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #121

(Shortly before they spent seven years knocking him lovemydog Jan 2016 #160

LOL ... Doesn't that bolster my "ridiculous claim" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #163

You are right. Well familiar with it, but forgot it was signed so fast. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #90

I don't believe it about O'Malley at all JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #115

Very well-said JAG. lovemydog Jan 2016 #143

i believe Sanders cares about POC also and i support Sanders, but i also don't make him out to be JI7 Jan 2016 #103

You are asking a politician to admit that the economic success of the US is based on guillaumeb Jan 2016 #53

I think we, in this group, know the answer to that very poignant observation. This is what puzzles.. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #79

And some of his "insider" support, as well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #89

"Outsider"; "Insider". It all equals "White". They're the ones who feel that anything given to..... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2016 #93

Perhaps Uponthegears Jan 2016 #85

It wouldn't make sense for him to go after Hillary. She's being a realist on policy. stevenleser Jan 2016 #198

That's funny Uponthegears Jan 2016 #199

Nope, you're still not getting it. stevenleser Jan 2016 #204

Still laughing Uponthegears Jan 2016 #205

You're laughing because you don't understand it. If you got it, you wouldn't be laughing. nt stevenleser Jan 2016 #206

Toro or Honda? Uponthegears Jan 2016 #207

As someone who leans toward Sanders... OneGrassRoot Jan 2016 #126

Thank YOU!!! Empowerer Jan 2016 #169

Crickets from those in this thread, including the OP, to your questions. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #145

That's,probably, because we are at the point of the learning curve, where ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #151

Uh-huh! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #153

Well, some at least have arrived there ... others ... well, not so much. eom 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #155

A) I am strongly in favor of reparations Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #7

I would suggest that Bernie provided his answer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #9

Yep, but I wanted to probe it more. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #16

Let me be more explicit here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #35

Sad but true. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #41

Ouch! wildeyed Jan 2016 #80

Forgive me ... I was being racist, again! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #134

Oof (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #131

Not just "divisive." "Impractical and VERY divisive!!" MADem Jan 2016 #144

I expected for most of us in this forum to fully understand what Coates was saying Number23 Jan 2016 #20

This campaign is amazing to me, and not in a good way. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #23

I have never even looked at it that way. I have traditionally not been in favor of reparations Number23 Jan 2016 #71

If we're going to go after billionaires, why not get that money for the people who made them rich? Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #99

And other countries have paid reparations for people who have been victimized by the State too Number23 Jan 2016 #100

TNC won't venture to question the other nyabingi Jan 2016 #38

He mentioned "revolution" several times in the last debate. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #42

so what do you disagree with ? JI7 Jan 2016 #13

You missed the point of the piece. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #15

I'm not even sure Sanders is "the point" of the piece; he's just an example Recursion Jan 2016 #17

You are 100% correct tishaLA Jan 2016 #22

Well, but there was a reason Coates picked Sanders as an "example." SunSeeker Jan 2016 #24

See ? That's what happens when one reads a piece for what's there ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #36

I think the real issue and the discussion that's nyabingi Jan 2016 #39

One may be harder than the other, but both are unattainable with today's Congress. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #59

I frankly believe that the push for any kind nyabingi Jan 2016 #67

Funny that you would say Bernie would never sign off on bad Republican legislation. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #91

And I frankly believe that any push for reparations wildeyed Jan 2016 #94

This piece is not "about" Sanders; he's just an example. It's "about" reparations Recursion Jan 2016 #19

Fabulous post. Number23 Jan 2016 #21

I agree with your statement that nyabingi Jan 2016 #25

OK, but Coates is "the guy who wrote a famous recent piece advocating reparations" Recursion Jan 2016 #30

So now Coates is the absolute nyabingi Jan 2016 #40

If this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #47

I read the article, nyabingi Jan 2016 #49

I don't think TNC was speaking past tense ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #58

Side point: Coates's use of tense, and control of time in his narrative, is in my mind unmatched Recursion Jan 2016 #110

If that's what you took out of Coates' piece then it explains everything about this OP Number23 Jan 2016 #75

Um, you don't need to repeat nyabingi Jan 2016 #135

I'm not repeating anything. The response came up completely on its own after reading your post Number23 Jan 2016 #149

Well, no: Coates quotes several actual authorities on reparations Recursion Jan 2016 #108

I'd like to hear more about this James-Coates connection tishaLA Jan 2016 #113

I think Coates is in many ways a throwback to impressionism, which is why we need him Recursion Jan 2016 #114

See, now ... you two are going to force my to expand my knowledge base ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #122

I need to go back to James work JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #129

Yeah, I need to re-read him too Recursion Jan 2016 #132

Amazing response! wildeyed Jan 2016 #128

"The Souls of Black Folk" is probably the best DuBois place to start Recursion Jan 2016 #133

Your posts in this thread are absolutely stellar Number23 Jan 2016 #179

He just won the national book awards top prize for non fiction JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #33

Hmmm, they either ignore wildeyed Jan 2016 #95

Wilkerson and Coates absolutely opened my eyes to this Recursion Jan 2016 #109

FDR couldn't bring himself to desegregate the Armed Forces during a war that was all about MADem Jan 2016 #170

We're you alive in 1968 JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #27

Or just buy up CountryWide's redlining algorithm (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #31

That would be a good start too! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #32

The algorithm that is still in play, today ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #37

What does it mean to buy up a lender's algorithm? aikoaiko Jan 2016 #43

I believe that refers to the program used to make lend/no lend decisions ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #44

Ok, so the idea is that buying up the algorithm would prevent the practice going forward? aikoaiko Jan 2016 #45

Yes to both questions ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #46

Right, that's one possible form of many, and probably not a great one Recursion Jan 2016 #56

Well, i was mostly being snarky about how it's suddenly hard to decide who's "black" Recursion Jan 2016 #55

Taking or keeping money out of the hands of Black folks. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #57

Or look at it like this JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #66

I can understand and appreciate that model. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #68

Never read BAR JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #69

Yes, thank you. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #70

You have GOT to know my last boss! :-) JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #72

I like your ideas. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #86

That is one fabulous post. Number23 Jan 2016 #77

I've loved this whole thread (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #111

I think I could live with that. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #48

Infrastructure investments too? wildeyed Jan 2016 #96

No - it would help all who were black on the 2010 census JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #97

Coates will be on All In w/Chris Hayes tonight tishaLA Jan 2016 #92

Bad Chris ... How dare you broach the topic of ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #98

I don't know that I would put single payer and reparations sahel Jan 2016 #101

it's not about slavery , it's about discrimination of blacks from housing assistance and many JI7 Jan 2016 #102

Why is it so hard to get people to read the actual essay? Recursion Jan 2016 #112

They don't want to hear JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #118

And I think that's the one Recursion Jan 2016 #119

I read it sahel Jan 2016 #174

Incorrect sahel Jan 2016 #176

Stop the slavery well - nonsense JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #117

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #123

head->desk Recursion Jan 2016 #124

Agreed; but, as you pointed out ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #125

Im sure we all support each others ponies sahel Jan 2016 #173

Have you read ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #181

"I wouldn't have a problem with that JI7 Jan 2016 #183

Of course, many here are liberals opposed to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #194

Exactly sahel Jan 2016 #193

There is too much for me to respond to via ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #195

Thank you for actually addressing one of the main issues nyabingi Jan 2016 #140

He's fomenting the revolution, one Harper's editorial at a time sahel Jan 2016 #175

too bad he doesn't write for Harper's tishaLA Jan 2016 #186

"pretty radical black writer" sahel Jan 2016 #192

You completely missed Mr. Coates' point. Completely. MADem Jan 2016 #136

The idea of universal healthcare is not nyabingi Jan 2016 #139

Go on and count up how many times the Congress has introduced a bill to repeal the ACA MADem Jan 2016 #142

The drive to repeal the ACA was mainly Republican nyabingi Jan 2016 #147

This conversation isn't about me. MADem Jan 2016 #156

You keep speaking my mind. Thank you. Empowerer Jan 2016 #171

Happy to oblige!!! MADem Jan 2016 #172

wow. now this issue is a conspiracy by Hillary against Sanders JI7 Jan 2016 #159

I just want to say this is one of my favorite threads ever on DU tishaLA Jan 2016 #148

I asked for some thoughts on it nyabingi Jan 2016 #150

Thanks for the original post. lovemydog Jan 2016 #162

Right? wildeyed Jan 2016 #154

Jinx! I was just about to say the same thing. lovemydog Jan 2016 #161

Good Lord, I was just about to post the same thing!! OP started with humble (to say the least) Number23 Jan 2016 #180

This really was one of the best DU threads I've read in a long time Recursion Jan 2016 #191

I think Bernie's answer to the question was excellent bluestateguy Jan 2016 #190

Good ... others are less than impressed. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #201

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #208

native Americans got reparations.... heaven05 Feb 2016 #209