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wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
29. Nailed it.
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

"The campaign and its supporters seem to be more about satisfying themselves than in reaching out to bring others in. It has the atmosphere of a clique, a "cool kids club" that is all about reinforcing how cool and correct the current members are. If you're not one of them, you are an "other." And if you don't jump on board immediately and wholeheartedly, you are promptly dismissed and subsequently dealt with only as a subject of derision and contempt."

This is what I saw about the supporters IMMEDIATELY. I had been epically busy and stressed with a huge project at work, so I didn't start looking at the candidates seriously until mid-summer. I came here and my head exploded right out of the gate when I read a thread about how you could not be progressive if you did not wholeheartedly and immediately support Bernie Sanders.

I had not yet decided who I was going to back, but I knew at least a dozen strong, progressive activist who supported Clinton wholeheartedly in 2008. I cannot even tell you the level of respect I have for these people and what they accomplish. So it brought tears of anger and frustration to my eyes to read that because you CANNOT talk that way about people like that, particularly if your "activism" consists or Twitter spamming and clicking online polls. And it is also divisive. I hate to see progressives dividing themselves over something as unimportant as a label. Because while we do that, the real enemy gets stronger.

And they didn't stop there. Historically, Black Americans are often left out of liberal entitlement programs. This is a simple fact. But when Sanders or his supporters were pressed on this, by people who clearly WANTED to support him but simply needed some clarification or assurance that it wouldn't happen with his administration, they were often attacked instead. Not a good way to win hearts and minds.... At first, I would literally rewrite their OPs and responses to be more persuasive, hoping I could maybe teach them to be better campaigners. No success

And now PP, NARAL and HRC are also under attack. Ick.

Initially, the strategy seemed to work for them, making their in-group even more enthusiastic and aggressive. But in the end, winning the Democratic Primary (and GE) is about UNIFYING different groups and building a coalition. To do that, you have to listen and treat other groups respectfully. Clearly not happening with this lot.

This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #1
And your concern about anything Black is duly noted. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #38
I trust the AA community to sort things out, come crunch time. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #39
Trust , we will ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #61
AA voters are very smart, but tend to exercise strategic voting more than anything. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #93
THIS! Empowerer Jan 2016 #102
Why are people who AREN'T black coming into the AA forum in an OP created by a black DUer Number23 Jan 2016 #42
Actually it was my bad. I didn't see which forum I was in until after I'd posted 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #54
An adorable attempt to excuse your behavior. You could have stopped at "I'm sorry I was Number23 Jan 2016 #55
I'm not going to continue this. I apologized, and it's not accepted. Got it. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #56
If the only posts you find worthwhile in this forum are ones that discuss your pres candidate in Number23 Jan 2016 #57
And, if your "I didn't know" was sincere ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #98
LOL Empowerer Jan 2016 #103
Shows how little you know about this forum. I'm not black, and I've felt very welcomed here. lunamagica Jan 2016 #76
I'm white. wildeyed Jan 2016 #84
I'm white and feel very comfortable in this forum. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2016 #92
West is trash. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author draa Jan 2016 #3
If he wins - he will indeed need that JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #7
Excellent points and BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #10
WhiteHouse.gov is not a political blog. draa Jan 2016 #22
I understand plenty JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author draa Jan 2016 #37
This web site is full of places where this kind of belligerance will get you plenty of fans Number23 Jan 2016 #40
Go ahead and try to stop me. draa Jan 2016 #41
You can post your bewildering and needless rage at nothing everywhere else on DU Number23 Jan 2016 #44
That's fine. And for what it's worth I do apologize. draa Jan 2016 #46
Whoa - don't know what happened JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #65
And the money they spend to make sure we stay that way is immense. wildeyed Jan 2016 #26
Moral Mondays! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #64
I believe it is worse than that. wildeyed Jan 2016 #68
See, this is why I love this group. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #71
Glad you liked it! wildeyed Jan 2016 #72
Well, I read all of it! SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #74
I will read it JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #78
An AMAZING post!! Darn you, I'm supposed to be cooking breakfast! Number23 Jan 2016 #82
BREAKFAST? wildeyed Jan 2016 #85
The grits are burned half to death and my 9-year old is glaring at me Number23 Jan 2016 #86
So many books, so little time. wildeyed Jan 2016 #88
Fabulous post! I've read every word of it twice. scarletwoman Jan 2016 #87
PREACH!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #95
I'm afraid Mr. Capehart may be right. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #4
Thanks for the thoughtful response Susan Empowerer Jan 2016 #5
+1 eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #12
I wish you posted back here JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #66
Awwww, thanks! SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #70
Cornel West is no longer what he may have been a decade ago for many in the Black community FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #6
Am I seeing this right??!! Are you really here???! Number23 Jan 2016 #45
ha ha! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #62
You are a DU veteran but if I can give you some advice Number23 Jan 2016 #81
EXACTLY!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #96
+1,000 and then some. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #101
YAY!!! FrenchieCat ***bowing down**** Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #97
Hya! FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #111
Cornel West is no longer relevant JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #8
Cornel is an important voice, sometimes I dont like what he says or the way randys1 Jan 2016 #23
My point is that the fact that you like West is irrelevant. You are already on the team Empowerer Jan 2016 #24
My points have nothing to do with politics, and I should have made that clear. randys1 Jan 2016 #28
He doesn't rub shoulders randy JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #35
Booker or West? randys1 Jan 2016 #43
West JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #63
What is the deal with Cornell West these days? wildeyed Jan 2016 #27
It's not lost on me. I've been told by Black colleagues the same for months now. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #9
I agree with you about the need to earn support Empowerer Jan 2016 #19
This ... BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #11
My take exactly. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #13
Thanks for your comments, Susan. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #15
some of my fellow Sanders supporters are totally tone deaf when it comes to the AA community steve2470 Jan 2016 #18
Despite being a Sanders supporter, I think he's blown it overall with his outreach strategy steve2470 Jan 2016 #14
Thanks for the link, steve. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #16
my pleasure, BlueMTexpat! nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #17
Thanks Empowerer Jan 2016 #20
yes I wasn't aware of the huge importance of the print edition but it makes perfect sense! steve2470 Jan 2016 #21
Shhhh JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #36
People keep -- RIGHTFULLY -- talking about how much Clinton sucks as a campaigner Number23 Jan 2016 #47
Yes that ad of his was so tone deaf, so WHITE..... steve2470 Jan 2016 #50
After seeing the denizens of GDP moaning about how they "cried like babies" over that ad, I realized Number23 Jan 2016 #53
That ad does not look like America. wildeyed Jan 2016 #69
It looks like some people's fantasy of America Empowerer Jan 2016 #75
There were more POC in an ad I saw for NASCAR wildeyed Jan 2016 #105
We'll be blamed if he's not the dem candidate... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #89
They started blaming us the second our response to being told for the thousandth time that he Number23 Jan 2016 #107
I thought that commercial should have been called Vermont. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2016 #94
Ka-pow!! Number23 Jan 2016 #106
Steve, have you seen the 2nd version of his ad? He's responded to the LOUD criticism that the first Number23 Jan 2016 #114
it's much much better than the old one steve2470 Jan 2016 #115
I agree. Wonder if the denizens of GDP will "bawl like babies" over this one? Number23 Jan 2016 #116
yea how surprising NOT steve2470 Jan 2016 #117
I love that ad (the new one), that is the Bernie I want to feel good about, if certain people would randys1 Jan 2016 #118
The ad is consistent with the point I keep making about the focus of the Sanders campaign Empowerer Jan 2016 #58
I watched that ad twice and it didn't move me in the least. Number23 Jan 2016 #59
LOL! Empowerer Jan 2016 #60
This white woman cringed at the whiteness of the ad. femmedem Jan 2016 #79
Thanks! Empowerer Jan 2016 #80
I went and looked for it and watched it twice JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #67
Yep. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #73
Like I said in the thread on it, it's a good ad in that it is unabashedly pro-Sanders and not anti- Number23 Jan 2016 #83
thank you heaven05 Jan 2016 #25
heaven!!!! Number23 Jan 2016 #48
Nailed it. wildeyed Jan 2016 #29
Exactly - you explained this beautifully Empowerer Jan 2016 #30
Yes. wildeyed Jan 2016 #32
I saw Dr. West on several TV shows... The Polack MSgt Jan 2016 #31
Your post made me laugh, smile AND think! :-) Empowerer Jan 2016 #33
Before 2007, Cornel West was seldom on mainstream talk shows. For that matter, neither was Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #100
+1 Empowerer Jan 2016 #104
+ a freaking billion to every single word of this post Number23 Jan 2016 #108
Thank you for the reply The Polack MSgt Jan 2016 #110
Black folks have said this time and again ever since Sanders made the bewildering -- and stupid Number23 Jan 2016 #49
Bitter white folks love their Cornel West who has spent seven years spewing his underthematrix Jan 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #51
New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most Gothmog Jan 2016 #77
Now that was an interesting read. It certainly goes counter to comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #109
This right here... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2016 #90
Simply perfect explanation Empowerer Jan 2016 #91
I have always had heaven05 Jan 2016 #99
Cornel West used to come to my Church in Oakland often enough to speak prior to President Obama.... FrenchieCat Jan 2016 #112
Don't forget Harvard JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #113
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