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Mira

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7. I will be very interested to study this tonight.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jan 2016

I was born in Germany at the very end of the war, and left for America on a coal freighter when I was not quite 20. My memory is that the black people I met in my first two decades of life were all my age, and there were just a few isolated ones. They were the children of American soldiers and German women. When I first came to the US I remember clearly that I was utterly fascinated by how black grown women look, I had hardly ever seen one, they were wives of American soldiers stationed in Germany in the immediate post war era, living in Army barracks and not mingling with the German people.

What I am saying here is that in my, albeit limited, experience there weren't really black people in Germany, but it is certainly no surprise to learn that the few blacks would have had grave problems in Nazi Germany. In subsequent visits there, and other European countries, I witnessed this has changed radically. The aura of a black person in Europe, as I have observed, is that of a person who is one of any and one of many and that we are all one. There is as I see it a cloak of "blackness" that is the first thing projected from and to American blacks, to be subject for interpretation by others around them. I found that to be missing in European black people.

I fully realize there is international audience and participation here on this board, and am only giving a little background and observation that is strictly my own, and after having left Germany a half a century ago it's all I know, and except for occasional visits in Europe not current.
This post gave me a minute to reflect back.

The timing of this is interesting to me, I saw a play here last week about 2 homosexual inmates at Dachau. The name of the play is "Bent", and it chronicled the treatment of those inmates, one of whom disguised himself as a Jew to get better treatment.
Imagine that!

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Thank you for posting this brer cat Jan 2016 #1
I am so sorry that you had to grow up BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #2
so sorry you had to grow up in the Jim Crow south steve2470 Jan 2016 #8
did America learn heaven05 Jan 2016 #3
There were no African-Americans in Nazi Germany oberliner Jan 2016 #4
come on, you knew what he meant steve2470 Jan 2016 #6
I saw something similar on CNN oberliner Jan 2016 #13
I have seen it spelled "jeez louise...." dhill926 Jan 2016 #26
ha!!! heaven05 Jan 2016 #8
One of the titles of the books I listed in post #14 seems to imply otherwise. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #15
It doesn't imply otherwise oberliner Jan 2016 #16
Chuckle. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #21
the Nazis probably got a few lessons from the Jim Crow south, the bastards nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #5
I will be very interested to study this tonight. Mira Jan 2016 #7
I was born in Germany 1948 heaven05 Jan 2016 #10
Oh my JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #18
Interestingly, those German nationals BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #25
I lived there until I was 5 JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #19
You personally experienced older white Americans being cruel to you as a child? randys1 Jan 2016 #27
My mom JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #30
Interesting family there. randys1 Jan 2016 #31
Get out! JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #32
Thanks for posting mountain grammy Jan 2016 #11
+1000 n/t JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #20
This is exactly right. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #22
Thanks for posting this important article focusing on a terrible part appalachiablue Jan 2016 #12
There are two books dealing with this on my "to purchase soon" list. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #14
Thanks so much for those links. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #23
An amazing find. BlueMT, could you please post this piece in the Black History that Doesn't make it Number23 Jan 2016 #17
Just saw this now, Number 23. BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #24
If Trump gets in, this same shit will begin to happen to PatrickforO Jan 2016 #28
If ANY Republican gets into the WH, BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #29
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