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Tue Feb 2, 2016, 07:11 PM Feb 2016

'Iowa’s Black Caucusgoers' [View all]

'Iowa’s Black Caucusgoers'
Charles M. Blow
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/01/opinion/iowas-black-caucusgoers.html?_r=0

As Wayne Ford, co-founder and co-chairman of the Iowa Brown and Black Forum, told me Sunday, the level of excitement in the black community is “nowhere near where it was 2008” when Barack Obama was a candidate.

Also, the preference for Clinton over Bernie Sanders was a two-pronged assessment; it was a sophisticated weighing of comfort and of policy without an absolutism of good vs. bad, but rather a matter of degrees better or worse, more real or more fantasy.

... For Sanders’s part, he seemed to be judged too unfamiliar and too absent, particularly down the homestretch. This feels to me like a terrible tactical error. No matter how much his positions and policies may benefit black voters, they are no more interested than any other group of voters in a long-distance love affair. You have to show up. You have to put in the time.


Money Quote:

On the policy front, many simply found Sanders’s policies unrealistically ambitious, an over-promising of giveaways. As one woman put it, “He sounds like Oprah: ‘You get a car! And you get a car! And you get a car!’ How is he going to pay for all that?


Not one. Damn. Word. in this piece will be of any surprise to any of the regulars in this forum.

The piece pretty much concludes two things: that Black folks even in freaking Iowa went overwhelmingly for Hillary and nobody black is even half as excited about this election as we were when Obama's name was on the ticket. Again, these are two things that everyone here already knew.

Not that it will do anything to diminish the "black folks just don't know who Sanders is yet" garbage that despite months of being told how ignorant and offensive this is, still floods this web site. And always seems to be inevitably followed by an embarrassingly idiotic "Black folks are feeeeeeling the BERRRRNNN!!!!11one" video that is as divorced from reality as it is quality production skills. This piece does nothing but corroborate what black members of this forum have been saying for MONTHS and we all know that it will once again be dismissed by the willfully clueless who are determined to see the world only as they want it to be and not as it is.
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'Iowa’s Black Caucusgoers' [View all] Number23 Feb 2016 OP
I have to admit that Blow is correct on all counts. Am I as OTT excited as I was in '08? No. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #1
"That poor girl from the Sanders campaign must be exhausted." Number23 Feb 2016 #2
Keith Ellison..one of my favorite politicians Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #3
He is one of my favorites too. Number23 Feb 2016 #5
Ellison is on Bernie's team? Didnt know that. Then you hit it on the nose, would translate that they randys1 Feb 2016 #6
Symone Sanders is the one I was thinking of. I'm afraid that Nina, much like Cynthia McKinney, may.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #8
Sanders if nothing else deserves serious props for putting alot of fairly low profile black people Number23 Feb 2016 #10
Nina Turner came to national notice when the Ohio S.O.S. was screwing with AA voter rules. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #14
I didn't know about Symone. My understanding is that he grabbed her after the initial confrontation Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #59
"Unknown" is right. I still don't know who Killer Mike is, and could care less. Hope that doesn't.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #94
You got it. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #98
And wasn't it a black SoS that was doing the screwing?? Number23 Feb 2016 #60
I remember that guy, he was black and very very partisan. comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #92
Yep! That sounds right Number23 Feb 2016 #101
I think it was Ken Blackwell (who is black), and then his successor took it to new heights. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #96
One of the podcasts I listen to had a segment that allowed callers to share their experiences workin Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #57
I don't need anymore proof than what you've just told me to know that black folks are nothing.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #95
Is "BSr's" a Freudian slip? LOL!! BTW, the Bernie volunteer called back into the program... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #99
BS'ers are followers....er, I mean "supporters" of BS. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #103
Indeed! ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #105
If you know who would pay attention to what you have said here for months, if it randys1 Feb 2016 #4
They are all too busy high fiving idiotic videos that deliberately antogonize black people Number23 Feb 2016 #7
And what angers me to no end is this really is our only chance to see randys1 Feb 2016 #9
It almost seems like they'd rather "be right" than see Bernie actually win. PragmaticLiberal Feb 2016 #93
Very good Op-Ed, thank you so much for posting it. emulatorloo Feb 2016 #11
You are more than welcome. I thought it was an interesting read myself. Number23 Feb 2016 #12
Related: "among the 9 percent of non-white Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa on Monday... Number23 Feb 2016 #13
So interesting, 23. Good to see this. I've seen the stats on how the Dems & Cha Feb 2016 #40
"Clinton beat Sanders among union households by 9 points, undercutting some conventional wisdom" Number23 Feb 2016 #63
You're Welcome.. thank you! Cha Feb 2016 #66
A lot of people don't realize just how rich the rich actually are. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #15
Do you have a point to make that relates to this OP? Number23 Feb 2016 #19
The part where there is a question of how Bernie is going to pay for it.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #22
Gotcha. Understand now. Number23 Feb 2016 #23
I keep hearing that if you're not on that BS bus, you're a low information voter! MADem Feb 2016 #16
I don't see how anyone Black or otherwise could have not known about Sanders in Iowa by 2/1 Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #17
And that's exactly the point. Black people did know about Sanders and still voted for Hillary, even Number23 Feb 2016 #20
The ad he didn't even talk in. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #25
Or if they were Simon & Garfunkel fans they still might have wondered how that related to Cha Feb 2016 #41
No, I hadn't seen the Daily Show take. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #46
It was an ad that was subliminal… FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #48
Ouch! lolol Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #52
I read this Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #18
That's the point! Most black folks aren't too peachy on Hillary. The enthusiasm in the black Number23 Feb 2016 #21
Black voters are very intelligent, informed and savvy - we're also very fair and don't like seeing Empowerer Feb 2016 #37
.. Cha Feb 2016 #42
If Obama would have ran on a socialist platform and call for political revolution FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #24
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #26
+ infinity! nt ecstatic Feb 2016 #27
Two snaps in a circle Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #30
I was irritated at Sanders' after-caucus speech last night. betsuni Feb 2016 #32
You nailed it JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #33
Yes, but it cuts both ways sahel Feb 2016 #34
How does it cut both ways? FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #36
In the way that Obama said that it did... sahel Feb 2016 #44
Absolutely brilliant - even more so than usual, Frenchie! You should publish this! Empowerer Feb 2016 #38
You are too kind my dear! FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #70
Can you imagine Obama having even one of piece of history that is seen as "quirky" in Bernie? Empowerer Feb 2016 #39
Love it, Frenchie! Cha Feb 2016 #43
Someone already used "+infinity" BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #47
Speak! eom Quayblue Feb 2016 #54
Perfect!! nt brer cat Feb 2016 #80
+ A million! lunamagica Feb 2016 #90
Yup!! Thanks for this! Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #97
Amen!! uponit7771 Feb 2016 #108
Curious kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #28
The race gap has been discussed a hundred billion times Number23 Feb 2016 #29
See Post #50 ... I think this may exlain the age gap. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #51
Oh....Sanders may carry some of the young Black voters certainly.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #31
Thank God liberals in other countries have more backbone than we have sahel Feb 2016 #45
National healthcare in other countries FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #49
Completely false sahel Feb 2016 #55
No...not false at all.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #58
And this is the annoying thing about internet debate sahel Feb 2016 #68
Take this veiled "Stockholm Syndrome" BS somewhere else Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #71
Veiled? sahel Feb 2016 #73
Please. Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #75
"it will probably start with the disaffected whites" sahel Feb 2016 #77
Last reponse from me Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #78
Chi - Back away - this is JAG JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #87
Thank you Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #91
Nothing good comes from alot of HIGH post count folks that have been straggling in here lately Number23 Feb 2016 #100
Black voters are inured to being treated like crap while white voters won't tolerate such treatment? Empowerer Feb 2016 #72
Or maybe the whites are the wimps? sahel Feb 2016 #74
Didn't you know? Black folks are super-human and don't feel pain like white folks! 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #76
Oh, we feel pain - we're just docile . . . Empowerer Feb 2016 #79
Just to be clear: you're actually explicitly telling black voters what black voters feel? Recursion Feb 2016 #84
I am speculating sahel Feb 2016 #85
No, no, those statements were in fact in the indicative mood Recursion Feb 2016 #86
Group Host - I'm asking politely JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #88
I second JAG's request for you to not return to this forum. Number23 Feb 2016 #104
Thanks n/t JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #106
Why would it matter? sahel Feb 2016 #35
It has dawned on me ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #50
Yep. Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #64
LOL ... Well,there is that! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #65
BTW ... I heard an interview with an twenty-some Egyptian guy... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #67
You mean like his father's extended family sahel Feb 2016 #69
Please back away from the Group JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #89
nailed it, 1SBM! nt brer cat Feb 2016 #82
Pretty much, yes HassleCat Feb 2016 #53
There is a lot of truth in this post. Number23 Feb 2016 #61
Coming off from a temporary ban because I dared to assert how arrogant Sanders' fans are... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #56
I've never seen anything like them either. And you are at least the 4th black Sanders supporter Number23 Feb 2016 #62
^^^ I wish the Sanders Brigade would read *THIS POST RIGHT HERE* Recursion Feb 2016 #81
The arrogrance is astounding. brer cat Feb 2016 #83
Good post, brer cat. sheshe2 Feb 2016 #110
I think many feel that Bernie doesn't really care that much about issues affecting African Americans DCBob Feb 2016 #102
Did most DU AAs vote in IA primary!?!? It's like they said everything we said for the last 6 months uponit7771 Feb 2016 #107
But according to conventional DU "wisdom," we don't know/understand/represent our OWN DAMN Number23 Feb 2016 #109
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