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Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
92. Same here. The white so-called Independents (read: Republicans) can afford to vote on single issues
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:36 PM
Feb 2016

at the expense of others or the entire platform. They also can afford to vote their conscience. But as I've been arguing for a long time now, black voters have always voted strategically--meaning that much of our voting behavior is about how to beat the Republican, even though the Democrat running isn't great, either.

A perfect example in my great State of Maryland:

In 2006, black voters here had a choice between a civil rights icon, former NAACP president, and great congressman, Kwesi Mfume and a white, fairly liberal Jewish man with little political experience--Ben Cardin. I'll never forget, black folk were all for Mfume initially. We knew him. We loved him. He delivered for Baltimore and did an o.k. job at the NAACP. Yes, he was flawed. In fact, he was very flawed, but that didn't matter.

So, Cardin was an unknown; he was considered the underdog. However, when I confronted him at a local Fall Festival event and asked him how he could beat Mfume, he came up with specific policy proposals. No bullshit. No trying to bring up "black issues" or talk down to me like I'm some idiot. I am well informed. In fact, I am a political junkie, apart from my training as a political scientist. I told him that I would only vote for him if he could beat the Republican (Mike Steele...yes, that Mike Steele!). He reassured me that he could. And that was that. Maryland's largest, most populous and diverse counties--Montgomery (where I live) and Prince George's County--and Baltimore City--all went overwhelmingly for Ben Cardin. These areas contain the largest black population--and went overwhelmingly for Ben Cardin over Kwesi Mfume.

So, to suggest that black people only support black candidates; to suggest that they may have an issue with Sanders' religion; to suggest that they just vote for the most known candidate---all of these assumptions are bullshit!

We are and have always been strategic voters. The Mfume-Cardin race is one case in point. When Cardin had to go up against Mike Steele, the choice was clear.

Black voters have always voted strategically. And this is what many Sanders supporters cannot accept. It's not that Hillary Clinton is a perfect candidate in every single way. She's not. But if people believe that she can win, that's what they believe and I can't fault them for it.

Black voters have always voted strategically. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Kick! NOLALady Feb 2016 #1
I know, I know! Pick me! leftofcool Feb 2016 #2
"...because Bernie was arrested at a sit in, AA's owe him the vote"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #14
+1000 n/t zappaman Feb 2016 #55
"they honestly believe that because Bernie was arrested at a sit in, AA's owe him the vote." Jarqui Feb 2016 #77
Nailed it. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #103
Did you happen to read the OP today about... grasswire Feb 2016 #3
Today JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #5
"Shocker - nothing is gained or lost by a black woman sitting out of a Primary." Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #16
By 1972 JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #35
And this is why I'm here Uponthegears Feb 2016 #21
This right here JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #23
Thank you Uponthegears Feb 2016 #32
Your welcome JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #38
That is beautiful Uponthegears Feb 2016 #56
"Just before he died, he took me by the hand and told me I had finished his life." Number23 Feb 2016 #44
Thank you for this ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #26
As we should be Uponthegears Feb 2016 #34
And what, other folks don't/can't understand. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #37
Better you Uponthegears Feb 2016 #54
LOL ... You get in fights, I get hides ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #59
I was going to say Uponthegears Feb 2016 #60
While the latter is true, so is the former ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #61
THAT Uponthegears Feb 2016 #63
In this cycle, we ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #64
Maybe they can just Uponthegears Feb 2016 #67
I got bingo on that one! wildeyed Feb 2016 #73
LMAO! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #104
Here we go... radical noodle Feb 2016 #6
Nope - I think I shut it down pretty succinctly JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #8
Yep radical noodle Feb 2016 #11
It's taken you that long, huh? LOL! I'm surprised I'm still here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #17
Eh? JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #18
I'm with you 100%. And as you can see, I have no patience for the black Bernie Sanders fans either. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #20
Anybody else find it interesting that it seems like the VAST majority of O'Malley supporters here Number23 Feb 2016 #43
I think it is split JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #49
Not this chick. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #88
I never knew you were supporting O'Malley! I thought you were still working through this Number23 Feb 2016 #94
I was leaning O'Malley. I just didn't think he was a great candidate, sadly. But if I had to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #95
Too bad you're not in Illinois. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #105
Here's another one - just posted JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #28
Never argue with anyone who thinks we're being poisoned by fluoride LanternWaste Feb 2016 #42
Words to live by.... wildeyed Feb 2016 #70
...and don't forget, GMOs and vaccinations (the most irresponsible tripe ever!)... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #89
But does he breastfeed at Olive Garden JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #93
GDP, too bad. I cant post anything but cake recipes in GDP without getting a hide. randys1 Feb 2016 #47
BS. You post in there all the time. NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #48
Natural High JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #50
... randys1 Feb 2016 #53
That IS a great song. wildeyed Feb 2016 #71
I can only speak for myself. But I think people should vote for whoever they believe represents them GoneFishin Feb 2016 #4
Thank you JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #7
I am not pretending that I can't be argumentative if that door is opened. But if someone just likes GoneFishin Feb 2016 #81
Or, not vote at all if no major candidate moves them. I very much appreciate this sentiment. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #22
I'm like that when someone asks 'how much did you pay for that?' lovemydog Feb 2016 #84
+1000!! Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #80
Yes you do. By the way, recent behavour of the SC is the final straw for anyone who randys1 Feb 2016 #9
Kick! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #10
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #12
I don't understand why our cries against racism were never heard in 2008 and beyond... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #13
I've been saying that same thing for months. That the folks screaming the loudest about Hillary's Number23 Feb 2016 #45
It's the same ones who kept pushing "class not race" JI7 Feb 2016 #58
You need to make this point a freaking OP here Number23 Feb 2016 #85
That brings me to Michael Moore's racist insult that Obama will only be known as the first Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #91
There's hypocrisy and then there's the shit that goes on around here Number23 Feb 2016 #96
Outstanding point!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #90
Like I said, they're full of shit. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #78
+1000 nt Quayblue Feb 2016 #62
This really annoys me about a lot of my fellow white liberals. NuclearDem Feb 2016 #15
You - you are not ALLOWED to shut up! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #19
Brilliant commentary! But I expected as much coming from an O'Malley supporter. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #25
I completely understand the need for defensive voting forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #27
Please stop promoting this "establishment"/"anti-establishment BS ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #30
I consder "establishment" to be broader forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #36
Exactly ... trump is the only non-establishment candidate in the race. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #39
Trump might be outside of the political establishment forjusticethunders Feb 2016 #40
I endorse this message! ... Well Stated. The only thing missing ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #29
Wow, "White liberals can afford to throw a tantrum vote in November if Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #41
Same here. The white so-called Independents (read: Republicans) can afford to vote on single issues Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #92
Yes, I was rooting for Cardin waay over here, Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #99
Cherry blossoms won't be here until late March, early April, hopefully. For some reason, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #100
Oh yeah, Takoma Park. Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #106
I envy you right now, both meeting Barbara and where you are. randys1 Feb 2016 #108
Oh, it's fun running into them. The first one Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #109
So cool! Takoma Station is still pretty nice. I'm a HUGE Donald Byrd fan and grew up listening Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #111
Yes, M'am! Kamala! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #112
I need this in my life right now... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #113
Oh yes, Mama! Thank You! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #114
EXCELLENT post!!! OneGrassRoot Feb 2016 #115
K&R brer cat Feb 2016 #24
kick rbrnmw Feb 2016 #31
Here's one thing I don't understand Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #33
I'm voting Sanders but I'm so turned off and disgusted with the ignorance JI7 Feb 2016 #46
I would be okay with it,if it was IGNORANCE ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #69
Careful, now.... Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #79
I don't have anything brilliant to say Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #51
K&R betsuni Feb 2016 #52
Sanders supporters just don't want to "understand"..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #57
It's infantile, patronizing bullshit. lovemydog Feb 2016 #65
Don't do it! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #75
I won't. lovemydog Feb 2016 #83
Only minorities get to be "analyzed" by race. "Why do white people....?" questions will always end Number23 Feb 2016 #97
It's infuriating & as you say unrelenting. lovemydog Feb 2016 #98
White privilege EffieBlack Feb 2016 #66
I agree. lovemydog Feb 2016 #68
I wrote the OP at the link..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #72
I trash those now. wildeyed Feb 2016 #74
I tried to explain to someone earlier how condescending it was giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #76
Because the black vote is so powerful wildeyed Feb 2016 #82
I just don't understand... Chitown Kev Feb 2016 #86
K&R The Polack MSgt Feb 2016 #87
It's because the Clinton's have not held up well over the years. Zen Democrat Feb 2016 #101
Nice post JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #102
As a person that will vote Sanders in the primary... Basement Beat Feb 2016 #107
Amen! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #110
^^^ word. n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2016 #116
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