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Chitown Kev

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29. It's both, of course...

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:47 PM

Mar 2016

which is why to call out Sanders for his "hypocrisy" is...well...quite reductive, to say the least.

There actually have been secular alternatives throughout black history (i.e. The Black Panthers) but they never last very long...religion is something that's acceptable to most Americans, so there's a lot of "respectability politics" going on there too.

I remember when Bernie Sanders went to Baltimore and met with some black ministers there about various things going on in Baltimore. There are also a lot of black activists in Baltimore that Sanders could have met with but aren't as "respectable" as those ministers...and some of those activists have actually criticized the black churches there for not doing enough with the funds for programs that they were receiving.

And of course, associations of the black church with what we now call "grift" is nothing new either.

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Does anyone else get as tired of Hillary Clinton's "black church" photo ops as I do? [View all] Chitown Kev Mar 2016 OP

I've been watching Season 4 of House of Cards lovemydog Mar 2016 #1

Holy crap I'm only on season 2 but it's scary how accurate it is. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #8

Yeah, writers for the show have worked in politics. lovemydog Mar 2016 #27

I hear you, but the Republicans do basically the same with the jaysunb Mar 2016 #2

She is running a bandwagon campaign and struggling to retain support GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #3

"Struggling"? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #33

You're gonna get an opportunists popping in.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #55

Yeah, but when they "pop in", they need to come correct. "Struggling"? WTF? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #78

Cracks me up bravenak Mar 2016 #4

I mean, I actually preferred Bernie's answer to the religious question last night Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #5

I told my husband that she prays for all of us everday, individually bravenak Mar 2016 #6

I'm stepping into an area I shouldn't... Liberal Jesus Freak Mar 2016 #10

Uh oh bravenak Mar 2016 #13

Yeah, I know that this is a super-sensitive subject...but damn Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #14

I know. I better shut up now before I get going bravenak Mar 2016 #15

I try to avoid godly folks but gwheezie Mar 2016 #85

That is so funny. bravenak Mar 2016 #95

I use to love it as a little girl rbrnmw Mar 2016 #116

It's cool that you can joke about both candidates 6chars Mar 2016 #103

We damn sure do need more laughing bravenak Mar 2016 #105

bravenak, please don't ever mellow. Warpy Mar 2016 #40

I would love that to DEATH bravenak Mar 2016 #42

Probably prays for him, too. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #56

Of course she does. bravenak Mar 2016 #62

OK. Not sure they'd take a Methodist, though. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #65

Gotta watch those Methodists awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #92

I find that Bernie's deception on what he really believes to be more interesting.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #18

Actually, I find that to be a very attractive thing about Sanders Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #20

I understand, and of course you don't have to care.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #22

Hillary caters to black church folks Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #24

I get what you're saying. Quayblue Mar 2016 #31

That's your take... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #32

Actually, this has less to do with Hillary Clinton Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #37

But the title of your OP is about Hillary Clinton, and is somewhat negative.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #44

Oh, I think that Sanders needs to shaded for that, no doubt Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #50

Glad you are balancing this out.....with this statement, FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #52

When she starts wearing hats rbrnmw Mar 2016 #76

She sure could bravenak Mar 2016 #98

Your post was hilarious but I do agree with you NWCorona Mar 2016 #108

Yes, but I find the use of religion in politics incredibly annoying. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #7

I do too... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #9

Do these pass your faith based code test for Hillary pics? FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #26

Black church folks sure get defensive Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #34

Thanks Frenchie. Hillary's not the only one. She's just better at it. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #43

My issue is that politicians Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #46

I have no problem with your irritation. The problem is you came after Hillary, and no one else. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #80

I'm insinuating that the "black church" Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #81

I think I'll go ahead and end this before I say something I'll regret. Stay strong Kev! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #82

At least he's trying..... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #63

Sanders is doing himself no favors with this ignorant tonedeaf shit Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #67

My FB is exploding based on his stereotyped statement..... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #71

If you don't mind me asking NWCorona Mar 2016 #109

I'll drop this here JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #115

I was like...he said what? My dead mother would love to know that her child has been reduced to.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #79

Sanders is living in the 60s FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #83

I was raised Pentecostal, and haven't attended in decades, but I still have issues with attacks on.. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #84

yep.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #86

I get sensitive on this subject in MANY different ways Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #87

Your feelings are understandable.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #88

Much love to you Kev. And I mean that. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #94

That was pretty awful. But Sanders wasn't the worst one at that shindig. Ben Jealous took the damn MADem Mar 2016 #100

Cringeworthy indeed. The faces were like Bernie Who? Could you imagine if that were Obama or.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #104

I have shown pics of Hillary in various types of religious events, FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #48

Mahalo Frenchie.. Just sayin'.. is excellent. Cha Mar 2016 #89

that's how i feel JI7 Mar 2016 #19

Honestly Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #11

Totally get it Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #12

Hillary believes in God, so I don't see the problem with it.... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #16

Actually, one thing that I appreciate about Bernie Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #17

I think that if one is non-religious, FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #21

and even black secular people like DuBois and Randolph Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #23

Is it pandering, or going to where the action is? kwassa Mar 2016 #25

Pandering is relative... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #28

Well... I didn't like some of the churches that my former Senator went to, either Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #30

I still don't get the Hillary is the panderer..... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #36

"How Hillary Clinton won the battle for the black vote in South Carolina" Cha Mar 2016 #91

She's being singled out because that's just the way it is with her. MADem Mar 2016 #106

A couple of reasons Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #111

Well, Kev, it does seem kind of unfair to treat one differently than the other, especially when it's MADem Mar 2016 #112

There's that....and... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #114

I can appreciate that perspective. It is a tough thing when there's a popular club, and they MADem Mar 2016 #117

It's both, of course... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #29

For most of American history, there has been no alternative. kwassa Mar 2016 #38

I get that... Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #41

Kwassa, funny you should said this..... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #51

Yeah, but churches have been criticized too Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #54

Again, I don't frequent prosperity churches, which I call mega churches... FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #72

My previous church in LA ... kwassa Mar 2016 #73

Agreed! NWCorona Mar 2016 #110

You know I'm a UU JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #35

I go to a UU church from time to time...its' been a couple of years Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #39

We are sssshhhh JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #45

Last time I went (it's only a few blocks from home) Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #47

Yeah it's a pastor JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #49

See...now you got me wanting to come visit!! Digital Puppy Mar 2016 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Mar 2016 #60

Sarcasm about church Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #64

Go to the link...it's not about church in any real sense. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #66

Thank you. Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #68

I was brought up UU ... kwassa Mar 2016 #70

That I don't disagree with JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #90

Might be part of the reason Ta-Nehisi Coates doesn't support her. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #53

Well...some speculate that Coates' atheism is also the reason Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #57

I've heard tell. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #58

Seriously? FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #59

He has actually expressed his alienation from the whole "black church" sensibility Ken Burch Mar 2016 #61

Who is "He"? FrenchieCat Mar 2016 #69

Check your pm's. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #75

"Hillary is ready speak in tongues and do the Holy Dance" Number23 Mar 2016 #74

sheeeit, I'd pay to see that, actually, lol Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #77

I'm gonna have to second that. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #101

As a white christian woiman Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #93

I'm not for one minute saying that's not the case Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #96

I think its too much of an 'easy win' for her to turn aside Spacedog1973 Mar 2016 #97

Mostly I get tired of mixing politics and religion. longship Mar 2016 #102

So this is an "odious mixture," at these links? MADem Mar 2016 #107

I think she's sincere with her faith. joshcryer Mar 2016 #113

Hillary is a church lady, yes Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #118

Rec'ing for the amazing conversation. This conversation could not have been had ANYWHERE ELSE on DU Number23 Mar 2016 #119

I was pissed when some of the ministers sold out to Rauner here in Chicago... Stellar Mar 2016 #120

Somehow, I got to Maya Harris' Twitter feed Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #121