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OneGrassRoot

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67. I was just thinking something similar in reading the replies above...

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:21 PM

Apr 2016

I know there have been criticisms of President Obama from those on the left because many now Sanders' supporters feel he didn't push for change hard enough. (And, yes, I believe there is definitely racist, supremacist behavior on the left, so some of it is racist in origin). As I said above, I'm trying to ignore the supporters on both sides -- because this shit is just as nasty as 2008 -- and pay attention to the candidates themselves and, yes, who they choose as surrogates.

I haven't interpreted Sanders' criticism of Obama as being remotely similar in intent to the GOP, nor reflective of some of the Sanders' supporters -- the contingent that loathes both Hillary and Obama. I mean, absolute loathing...the ones who say they'll vote for Trump if Hillary wins the nomination.

When it comes to Sanders and Obama (and now Hillary), I perceive it as the two clashing perspectives of incremental change versus revolution; working within the system or dismantling it from the outside. I understand both sides of that ideological disagreement.

I think it's actually a COMPLIMENT to President Obama that Occupy and even the Arab Spring and other revolutions (regardless of the ultimate outcome) happened under his watch. I think his message of hope and change was sincere and resonated, and something about his presidency provided the space for the idea of revolution to take hold in a big way.

Angry protests happened under Bush, but the possibility of revolution -- with a positive, hopeful vibe to it, even though spurred by anger and frustration -- took root under President Obama.

Maybe that's naive, but that's my take on it. I don't loathe Obama, Hillary or Bernie -- far from it, as I appreciate all three in different ways even if I have strong differences and wish things were done differently -- so I have a different perspective than most.

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Why did Sanders wait until we have a black president to cast blame and start his "revolution"? [View all] Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 OP

you have a definite point. eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #1

Actually he dosnt have a point. He is just stating his fantasies and imaginations as facts. eom. Jemmons Apr 2016 #13

I'm very much a "girl". And what facts have I gotten wrong? Please do tell in your infinite wisdom. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #21

You are stating things as fact that are not facts Jemmons Apr 2016 #23

It's called drawing a conclusion from the facts that ARE in evidence. Now ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #46

I suspect that you know this. But in case you dont: If you had paid attention you would not have Jemmons Apr 2016 #50

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #52

Because it would be pure disingeneous trolling Jemmons Apr 2016 #54

... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #55

Look: You have been member here a long long time. I dont understand your choice Jemmons Apr 2016 #58

My "choice" of HRC is, in this two party system, a forced choice ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #61

Do you then honestly think that anyone would care to call Sanders a racist if he wasnt running for Jemmons Apr 2016 #64

Probably not ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #66

You wrote: Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #74

It is not clear to me what insult you talk about. Jemmons Apr 2016 #100

You are posting in the African American Group. I started this OP in the AA Group. We here have had Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #101

Fair enough. My misunderstanding. eom. Jemmons Apr 2016 #105

Liberal_Stalwart has made it crystal DAMNED clear in her OP what her concerns are Number23 Apr 2016 #121

I wouldn't call him a racist JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #178

No, I was asking a question, which I think is a valid question. Why did Sanders wait until NOW Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #70

Two Issues: First, timing -- why is Bernie Sanders Running Now? and Second, Bernie Sanders on race cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #114

John Kerry is a progressive through and through. You don't know your history. blm Apr 2016 #152

I am from MA, and as of 2004, Kennedy was the more progressive senator cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #172

Kerry's positive effect was established PRE Sec of State. blm Apr 2016 #173

He could have been marching on Washington then mcar Apr 2016 #2

16 years ago? JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #3

LOL ... Yeah, that's it! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #47

Oh yeah, most of his constituents are white. All the more reason why he doesn't deserve the votes Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #71

The way the Clintons earned all those black votes? Human101948 Apr 2016 #77

This OP is about Bernie Sanders. Stick to the topic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #82

Yeah right! Human101948 Apr 2016 #84

Liberal_Stalwart has been and even in this OP is as critical of Hillary as she is of Sanders Number23 Apr 2016 #122

Like Obama? Sanders says he left voters behind ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #144

He didn't wait. boobooday Apr 2016 #4

How true + 1000 awake Apr 2016 #30

He's been awfully timid with his revolution from 1968 until Obama became President beastie boy Apr 2016 #44

Thank you! My criticism of BS is similar to that of Nader. He didn't build a party, even as an Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #69

Thank you. They are feigning ignorance. They know damn well what I'm talking about. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #154

They have to. beastie boy Apr 2016 #159

The point again: He should have been building relationships with black voters for all those years. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #72

He was representing Vermont all those years. boobooday Apr 2016 #83

Fuck that! Being a senator from Vermont does not mean that he could not have begun building Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #157

Sanders loves to point to Medicare/caid and Social Security as two very successful socialist stopbush Apr 2016 #113

I guess it's the same reason he sends out his Naderite surrogates like Paul Song, Susan Tanuki Apr 2016 #5

Hi L_S71! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6

Yeah, I know. I'm going to vote today. When I stated that April 26th can't come fast enough... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #8

I'm definitely with you BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #9

Always good to see you, my friend. Hang in there! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #11

I'm hyper aware of racism... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #7

Much appreciated. Thank you so much for being honest and fair. You stated some points that attracted Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #10

Bernie didn't start his revolution in 2008. He's been at it a long time. All in it together Apr 2016 #24

Again, if he did have a revolution, that didn't involve black voters. WHY? Black voters, by and Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #73

Ding...ding..ding! That whole West and Smiley endorsement raised red flags for me! Sour grapes!n/t KelleyD Apr 2016 #110

... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #25

Be careful the last person to say they never saw him got attacked horrendously. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #27

...and he still is. I'm not afraid of the Sanders fanatics. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #75

I want to add something FlaGranny Apr 2016 #26

I agree... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #38

I think he has been fighting the good fight for decades... why he waited til now to bring it to the secondwind Apr 2016 #12

I've followed Sanders' career for decades myself, always in awe of him and jealous that other Dems Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #17

Bernie is a Senator from Vermont zalinda Apr 2016 #53

Because until the great recession and OWS... tk2kewl Apr 2016 #14

He was less known NOW! What's the difference? If one is a change agent, one is a change agent Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #18

he has done *exactly* that tk2kewl Apr 2016 #20

He has NOT done that. Not at all. If he did, more black people would know him. And I have been Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #22

unless you're from VT I doubt it tk2kewl Apr 2016 #35

It's your opinion. I won't go into this, but I worked on Capitol Hill for several decades. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #76

I guess that explains it tk2kewl Apr 2016 #116

A "Washington Insider" or the vast majority of black and Hispanic voters in every single primary Number23 Apr 2016 #123

LOL!! If I'm a Washington Insider, then Bernie is, too! He's been in this town a lot longer than I. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #155

Since you've followed Bernie's career so closely since he first arrived in Washington tk2kewl Apr 2016 #162

Your reading skills are quite subpar. Again, if Sanders cared so much about black folk, he Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #163

So when you are challenged for evidence you resort to insulting me. Nice. tk2kewl Apr 2016 #164

What evidence? He fucking marched and was arrested. So fucking what?? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #165

you claim his run is veiled racism with no evidence tk2kewl Apr 2016 #166

So now Bernie Sanders.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #15

According to you. He think he and his surrogates have issued subtle bigoted statements. Yes. Is he a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #19

Your OP implies a lot more than "I'm not sure".. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #28

One can use dog whistle tactics that are racially insensitive in nature and not necessarily be a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #78

Are you talking about Hillary? All in it together Apr 2016 #34

This OP is about Bernie Sanders. Please stick to the topic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #79

Your entire premise is that he's a racist for even running this year. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #59

I think he's made subtle and explicit racist statements about black voters in the American South. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #81

There's no uncertainty in your OP. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #111

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #189

Hunt you down? Really? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #193

Exactly! ColesCountyDem Apr 2016 #49

here's a good watch tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #16

I'm calling bullshit! DAngelo136 Apr 2016 #29

Paul Wellstone and Denis Kucinich were indeed revolutionaries. Sanders just yelled and screamed Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #85

I'm so sorry the BSrs Hid you out of your own thread in the AA Group, LS! Now I know Cha Apr 2016 #196

This is so extremely ridiculous. Herman4747 Apr 2016 #31

when one candidate... tk2kewl Apr 2016 #45

This OP is about Bernie Sanders. If you can't answer the question, that's o.k. Sanders can't either. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #86

That's a shame. classykaren Apr 2016 #32

Excellent post pandr32 Apr 2016 #33

Aloha, pandr.. I just made a post that I know now she can't respond to b/c BSrs Hid her out of her Cha Apr 2016 #197

Thanks for the update Cha pandr32 Apr 2016 #198

K&R! betsuni Apr 2016 #36

till the Black president brought this country to a stable situation, no one would risk a revolution La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #37

I was just thinking something similar in reading the replies above... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #67

yup DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #216

Come on, we both know why. And just FYI "the revolution".....it's bullshit. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #39

Thank you! Finally someone tells the truth! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #87

K&R. Paladin Apr 2016 #40

When Obama formed his first cabinet is when the revolution began. maggies farm Apr 2016 #41

...and yet, you didn't answer the OP's question. Didn't even attempt. Just resorts to bashing the Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #88

I will not put words in another mouth maggies farm Apr 2016 #103

If you shit on black voters and the black president, you will lose. Sanders is learning this lesson. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #202

Citizens United was the last straw demwing Apr 2016 #42

What does citizens united have to do with the black president? And you proved my point... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #89

He is very pragmatic and knows the right moment has arrived now. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #43

accusations of racism again...fabulous navarth Apr 2016 #48

There is so much wrong with your post, I don't know where to start. Then I saw how many hides FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #51

I don't give a damn about HIDES! Don't be silly or childish. I speak my mind. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #90

Your response just confirms what I wrote. Were you too busy to read it? That's fine, I can FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #120

Typical. This post is about Sanders. Not Hillary. If you can't direct your comments to the OP, then Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #140

What utter bullshit noiretextatique Apr 2016 #56

I would say this group doesnt have to look far at all to find racist intent, not with Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #62

Well said, JWS. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #68

"but the reason she does has much more to do with those surrounding and supporting Berne" Number23 Apr 2016 #124

Yes, incredibly absurd! Sad that someone would post it. n/t Herman4747 Apr 2016 #108

Since we disgust and bother you so much, PLEASE don't feel like you have to come here and respond Number23 Apr 2016 #125

He has been saying these things all his life. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #57

Reading comprehension is KEY! Go back and read carefully this time. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #92

I dont agree or believe Bernie is responding now because Obama is black, but I do Actor Apr 2016 #112

I agree with that. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #118

The president accomplished so much more than most people realize, and he did so in Actor Apr 2016 #119

I've been pondering the phenomena of Sanders a lot lately ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #60

I completely agree with this statement Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #65

Brilliant, brilliant analysis!!! I love this! Truthful, honest and reasonable. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #91

Thank you! ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #106

+1, IThe gender and racial establishment in the DNC is having a temper.... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #145

I find your opinion and comments to be direct reflections of Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #63

What an utter load of crap davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #80

You only have 22 posts, sweetheart. You know nothing about me. But, carry on... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #93

"The man marched with Martin Luther King" Number23 Apr 2016 #127

Your point being? davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #148

That old "he marched with MLK" crap has been tossed around so much as some sort of substitute for Number23 Apr 2016 #149

I'm sorry the 60's civil rights movement doesn't carry much water for you davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #150

The idea that someone doing the "he marched with MLK while Hillary was a Goldwater girl" spiel Number23 Apr 2016 #167

I'm glad you find me precious and adorable davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #169

Sanders marching was admirable but I don't understand why you are acting like what he Number23 Apr 2016 #170

He did more than simply join the March on Washington, but you know that. davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #171

"chained, beaten and arrested" too bad that only one of those things is actually true Number23 Apr 2016 #175

"Chained, beaten and arrested" - all of those things are true davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #179

No one has said his reactions aren't worth a damn. But his actions don't make him some great Number23 Apr 2016 #180

I'll agree to one single point davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #181

I think you're asking the wrong question.... mike_c Apr 2016 #94

HA! Touche! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #96

This is the last election he would realistically run in JI7 Apr 2016 #95

He should have run against the president in 2012. He was calling for him to be primaried. Why not Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #97

Sanders has no respect for President Obama and wants to throw away Obama's legacy Gothmog Apr 2016 #98

YEP! Some of his supporters are feigning outrage and ignorance. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #99

Simple - he sees his time is much more limited to make a bigger impact elfin Apr 2016 #102

Hmmmm....interesting. What an opportune time, then. Welp, good luck to him, then. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #104

I'm Really Tired of noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #107

I'm not worried about BS, His campaign will be a .... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #109

I don't think Bernie is racist. I do think some of his campaign people and many of his . . . brush Apr 2016 #115

Why did Occupy Wall Street wait until we had a black prez to organize against greed and corruption? Dems to Win Apr 2016 #117

FINALLY, an intelligent thoughtful answer from someone who disagrees Number23 Apr 2016 #128

Definitely. We need a BETTER New Deal, that includes everyone this time. Dems to Win Apr 2016 #136

what??? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #126

Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #129

Maybe you should ask him instead of speculate Perogie Apr 2016 #130

He already answered. Told me that my family's vote in the American South mean nothing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #183

The "Southern votes don't count but YEAARRRGGH Wyoming!!11" posts would give any thinking person Number23 Apr 2016 #131

Are some racist? Sure. Just like some Hillary voters are. UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #137

Yes !! If Sanders had any real track record of leading people wouldn't have to get to know him uponit7771 Apr 2016 #147

Sanders DID NOT start any revolutions. chknltl Apr 2016 #132

An intelligent response! Thank you! I used to listen to "Brunch with Bernie" for years. I purchased Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #139

Post #129 Jury Results Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #133

Sorry Bernie Bros. you couldn't censor this one. RandySF Apr 2016 #134

+1000. There's only one thing we disagree on : ecstatic Apr 2016 #135

My honest answer Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #138

i disagree about edwards JI7 Apr 2016 #141

I did slightly misstate that Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #142

DING DING DING !! I posted something similar to this before reading this thread. GREAT MINDS!!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #143

As always, love! ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #153

I thought he probably thought it was a good time because of Occupy Wall Street gollygee Apr 2016 #146

They are not just gangs of kids anymore. RepubliCON-Watch Apr 2016 #151

What utter bullshit! The idea that Bernie announced at this time because Obama is AA. Akamai Apr 2016 #156

Ask Sanders to build his coalition of blacks, Hispanics, women and people of all walks of life... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #160

I wondered that myself. But another way of looking at it is why did he wait pnwmom Apr 2016 #161

"The cradle of the Civil Rights Movement is in the American South." PREACH IT!! TELL THESE PEOPLE Number23 Apr 2016 #168

He made a ton of mistakes. Too many of his most ardent followers or supporters look and sound Actor Apr 2016 #182

You wrote: And, I think most anger at him, like in this thread, is actually at his supporters. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #184

I completely understand. Maybe i discounted the alienation done by Bernie himself, whether Actor Apr 2016 #185

And June can't come soon enough for me Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #174

Please do, my friend. I'd be honored. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #190

Oh thanks, brilliant LS71! Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #192

Interesting, huh, the president who was successful in getting healthcare through congress, go figure Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #176

While BS's "medicare for all" was blocked in subcommittee! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Apr 2016 #186

Less to do with Obama being black and shifting to the right significantly after "Hope & Change" aikoaiko Apr 2016 #187

He's not a racist JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #188

That he blames Obama for not deliverings "effective" Hope and Change the way YOU and Sanders wanted Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #191

You are not reading what I wrote. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #194

She's not hate filled except for when JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #199

I wasn't really commenting on her position on the Clintons aikoaiko Apr 2016 #200

You should - search her User Name JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #201

when I have time I will, but even if she hates Clintons with the heat of a 1000 suns aikoaiko Apr 2016 #204

I don't want to speak directly for her JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #205

Fair enough -- thank you. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #206

Excellent Question, LS.. and one the members of The Obama Diary have been asking, too. Cha Apr 2016 #195

Listen, we all thought Obama would govern like a Progressive, those who believed in him anyway, highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #203

Nobody hates you for loving Bernie JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #207

First of all, thank you for your kind words. I feel a little silly, because I did not fully realize highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #209

These are all things I understand JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #210

Oh boo hoo.. President Obama is Progressive. Progressive means getting things done and that's Cha Apr 2016 #208

These people kill me when they don't see Obama walking on water... Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #211

I know, DP.. they all have the same mantra.. "disappointed".. BS actually used that word when Cha Apr 2016 #214

His actual success, especially in light of the outrageous obstruction, is monumental. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #212

HOPE fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #213

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