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cloudythescribbler

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114. Two Issues: First, timing -- why is Bernie Sanders Running Now? and Second, Bernie Sanders on race
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

On the issue of timing, Bernie Sanders is running in this election cycle, among other reasons, as the candidate for the progressive wing of the Democratic Party against the coronation of neo-liberal Hillary Clinton. Going back over the last three or four elections -- and it really has only been since the millenium that the issue of the radically rising proportion of income and wealth going to the top 1% has become such a salient issue -- you can see that there was, at least in the early campaign, a major standardbearer for the progressive wing of the Party that is the most logical base for Bernie Sanders' candidacy. In 2000, there was Bill Bradley, not a very strong candidate but in a lot stronger position than Bernie, who was at the time still only a relatively less-known member of the House. In 2004, Howard Dean -- who has since learned to get with the program of the Democratic Party more obediently -- was the main standardbearer against the Iraq War and for what he at the time termed "The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party; until his candidacy imploded -- or was imploded by a chorus of protestation in response to a slightly redder than medium rare red meat speech after losing the Iowa Caucuses -- he was clearly the main figure running for the progressive Democrats. After that 'implosion', there was only Kucinich, who I voted for in MA. Then in the 2007-8 election cycle, at first Hillary Clinton was seen as the inevitable nominee, with Barack Obama as the main challenger, clearly not an out-and-out brazen spokesperson for the progressive wing of the Party, but at least seemed to be (and said many things suggesting that he was) at least going to straddle the gap between the two wings of the Party, as distinct from Hillary Clinton, clearly a neoliberal Clinton Democrat. I supported Obama from day 1 in large part in the hope of getting a president significantly more progressive than the neoliberals (Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton) who had dominated the national party until then. For example, all these, and Edwards, Lieberman, Biden etc had voted for the Iraq War resolution giving W the authority to launch a war, which Obama had vociferously opposed when it mattered. OK, Obama has turned out to be more centrist than many including myself had hoped, especially in 2009-10, though he has definitely been more progressive than President Clinton was. In 2012 there were some people urging Sanders to run, especially given the heightened consciousness of his signature issue with the Occupy Wall Street movement -- which rapidly faded.

But in this election year we again saw Hillary Clinton as the "inevitable" neoliberal nominee. There were no major progressive challengers to her (Chafee?) with any serious base, and many more people including myself who wanted him to run -- and to run as a Democrat in the primaries, as that could really reach a mass public, and likely engage many more millions of voters than running as an Independent. (Bernie himself suggested as much in pointing to the greater MSM exposure he got as a candidate for the Democratic nomination). He has done much better than many supporters, including myself, thought at all likely when he first declared. He is running on an issue -- the concentration of wealth AND political power in a plutocratic elite that has become quite salient, though he is making it moreso; this is not even implicitly a campaign against President Obama or his legacy (except I suppose if one views Hillary Clinton as Obama's 'heir apparent'). He has not attacked any of the reforms of the Obama years, tho Hillary Clinton has tried to portray him as seeking to undo the Affordable Care Act, rather than expand and extend it. (This is basically reducible to campaign rhetoric -- not at all true of Sanders' position).

There have been a number of candidates who have at least implicitly run against the record of a presidency of their own Party (McCarthy and Kennedy in 68), Reagan in 76, and Kennedy in 80 for example, but Sanders is not in that category. There is nothing in his candidacy that reasonably is a negative reaction to the Obama years; again, Obama himself was the candidate favored by many of the progressive wing of the party against Hillary as neoliberal in 2007-8.

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On the issue of race, I am not aware of ANYTHING that Bernie Sanders or any of his staff have said that suggested black voters should "automatically" support him based on his record back in the era of the Civil Rights movement. Sometimes on DU in response to the veracity of this true history being challenged, it may seem that way especially as a bone of contention. But it IS legitimate for Sanders & his campaign to raise IN THE CONTEXT OF HIS FAVORABLE RECORD FOR MORE THAN A QUARTER CENTURY IN CONGRESS. It is true that there are particulars (eg on gun control) that might be subject to debate, but on many issues both Congressman and then Senator Sanders, whether opposing many of the so-called 'reforms' of the Clinton era, although he did vote for the criminal justice reform in 1994 that had both positive and negative features as visible at the time. (The worst aspect of it was the political penumbra of how it helped to shepherd state-level policies in the so-called War on Drugs, pushed along with memes about 'superpredators' and such). Bernie Sanders is an (admittedly not perfectly pure) staunch figure in the progressive wing of US politics, not merely as a self-described socialist (I think Chomsky's characterization of his candidacy as more of a neo-New Dealer is on point) but as a progressive on a host of particular issues. Pointing out some positions on gun control that he has taken, or support for the F-35 production in his home state of Vermont aside, this is quite clearly the case, as it is also clear that the Clintons stand for neoliberalism.

But aside from this ideological conflict within the Democratic Party (which was quite pronounced with the Rainbow Coalition representing progressive politics and policies and both Mondale & Dukakis a more centrist vision, albeit not centrist/conservative enough for Clinton in 92) there is the reputation and regard for the Clintons in the black community. Those who, like myself, supported Obama from day 1 in the 2007-8 primary election cycle can remember vividly how month after month polls of African American voters showed Hillary leading Barack by double digits. It really looked like an uphill climb, especially with Super Tuesday scheduled so soon in the season. But after gradually rising in visibility and popularity generally (the fact of being super well-know being an advantage to Hillary against Barack in 07 just as it has been against Bernie (Bernie who?) in this election cycle, Oprah Winfrey not only endorsed but actively campaigned for Barack Obama in ways and early enough on to really shift matters effectively, along with others in 2007 like Chris Rock. And Obama himself was a very strong candidate tho many on DU trashed him mercilessly in favor of Hillary Clinton at the time. This election cycle, for many clear and less obvious reasons, Bernie Sanders is not as strong a challenger to Hillary Clinton. She does have the added plus of being closely identified with the Obama Administration at this point IN ADDITION TO the strong economic track record during the Bill Clinton Administration. That latter issue helps explain why she was running so strongly at first and for many months in 2007, and why she runs more strongly against Bernie Sanders today. Younger voters in general (those under 35) were mainly children during the Clinton presidency. They aren't going to remember how sluggish the economy was under Bush pere, or how the Clintons in office faced much of the same outrageous obstructionism that has been hurled at the Obama Administration. But these factors are NOT a basis for trashing Bernie Sanders, who today takes a much stronger position on the issue of the New Jim Crow, the so-called Drug War, and mass incarceration than Hillary does, (and has the very outspoken support of Michelle Alexander and others concerned with these issues) over and above his broad populist economic message, which (eg universal single payer & free public college tuition, etc) also stands to benefit communities of color.

All the negative trashing on both sides that you see on DU is really a distraction from all this. Sure, it's true Bernie as a candidate is no Barack Obama, and few people have been in US politics, but I would expect that, should Hillary Clinton be elected, there will be plenty of room for the emergence of a progressive opposition within the electoral & MSM arena, and that Bernie Sanders could be very much a part of that. And over time it would seem that the issues raised in this post would become secondary to that fundamental split between progressive Democrats and neoliberals

Sorry I do go on long but this issue in various forms has come up repeatedly and needs to be addressed

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you have a definite point. eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #1
Actually he dosnt have a point. He is just stating his fantasies and imaginations as facts. eom. Jemmons Apr 2016 #13
I'm very much a "girl". And what facts have I gotten wrong? Please do tell in your infinite wisdom. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #21
You are stating things as fact that are not facts Jemmons Apr 2016 #23
It's called drawing a conclusion from the facts that ARE in evidence. Now ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #46
I suspect that you know this. But in case you dont: If you had paid attention you would not have Jemmons Apr 2016 #50
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #52
Because it would be pure disingeneous trolling Jemmons Apr 2016 #54
... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #55
Look: You have been member here a long long time. I dont understand your choice Jemmons Apr 2016 #58
My "choice" of HRC is, in this two party system, a forced choice ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #61
Do you then honestly think that anyone would care to call Sanders a racist if he wasnt running for Jemmons Apr 2016 #64
Probably not ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #66
You wrote: Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #74
It is not clear to me what insult you talk about. Jemmons Apr 2016 #100
You are posting in the African American Group. I started this OP in the AA Group. We here have had Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #101
Fair enough. My misunderstanding. eom. Jemmons Apr 2016 #105
Liberal_Stalwart has made it crystal DAMNED clear in her OP what her concerns are Number23 Apr 2016 #121
I wouldn't call him a racist JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #178
No, I was asking a question, which I think is a valid question. Why did Sanders wait until NOW Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #70
Two Issues: First, timing -- why is Bernie Sanders Running Now? and Second, Bernie Sanders on race cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #114
John Kerry is a progressive through and through. You don't know your history. blm Apr 2016 #152
I am from MA, and as of 2004, Kennedy was the more progressive senator cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #172
Kerry's positive effect was established PRE Sec of State. blm Apr 2016 #173
He could have been marching on Washington then mcar Apr 2016 #2
16 years ago? JonathanRackham Apr 2016 #3
LOL ... Yeah, that's it! 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #47
Oh yeah, most of his constituents are white. All the more reason why he doesn't deserve the votes Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #71
The way the Clintons earned all those black votes? Human101948 Apr 2016 #77
This OP is about Bernie Sanders. Stick to the topic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #82
Yeah right! Human101948 Apr 2016 #84
Liberal_Stalwart has been and even in this OP is as critical of Hillary as she is of Sanders Number23 Apr 2016 #122
Like Obama? Sanders says he left voters behind ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #144
He didn't wait. boobooday Apr 2016 #4
How true + 1000 awake Apr 2016 #30
He's been awfully timid with his revolution from 1968 until Obama became President beastie boy Apr 2016 #44
Thank you! My criticism of BS is similar to that of Nader. He didn't build a party, even as an Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #69
Thank you. They are feigning ignorance. They know damn well what I'm talking about. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #154
They have to. beastie boy Apr 2016 #159
The point again: He should have been building relationships with black voters for all those years. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #72
He was representing Vermont all those years. boobooday Apr 2016 #83
Fuck that! Being a senator from Vermont does not mean that he could not have begun building Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #157
Sanders loves to point to Medicare/caid and Social Security as two very successful socialist stopbush Apr 2016 #113
I guess it's the same reason he sends out his Naderite surrogates like Paul Song, Susan Tanuki Apr 2016 #5
Hi L_S71! BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
Yeah, I know. I'm going to vote today. When I stated that April 26th can't come fast enough... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #8
I'm definitely with you BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #9
Always good to see you, my friend. Hang in there! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #11
I'm hyper aware of racism... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #7
Much appreciated. Thank you so much for being honest and fair. You stated some points that attracted Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #10
Bernie didn't start his revolution in 2008. He's been at it a long time. All in it together Apr 2016 #24
Again, if he did have a revolution, that didn't involve black voters. WHY? Black voters, by and Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #73
Ding...ding..ding! That whole West and Smiley endorsement raised red flags for me! Sour grapes!n/t KelleyD Apr 2016 #110
... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #25
Be careful the last person to say they never saw him got attacked horrendously. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #27
...and he still is. I'm not afraid of the Sanders fanatics. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #75
I want to add something FlaGranny Apr 2016 #26
I agree... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #38
I think he has been fighting the good fight for decades... why he waited til now to bring it to the secondwind Apr 2016 #12
I've followed Sanders' career for decades myself, always in awe of him and jealous that other Dems Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #17
Bernie is a Senator from Vermont zalinda Apr 2016 #53
Because until the great recession and OWS... tk2kewl Apr 2016 #14
He was less known NOW! What's the difference? If one is a change agent, one is a change agent Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #18
he has done *exactly* that tk2kewl Apr 2016 #20
He has NOT done that. Not at all. If he did, more black people would know him. And I have been Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #22
unless you're from VT I doubt it tk2kewl Apr 2016 #35
It's your opinion. I won't go into this, but I worked on Capitol Hill for several decades. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #76
I guess that explains it tk2kewl Apr 2016 #116
A "Washington Insider" or the vast majority of black and Hispanic voters in every single primary Number23 Apr 2016 #123
LOL!! If I'm a Washington Insider, then Bernie is, too! He's been in this town a lot longer than I. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #155
Since you've followed Bernie's career so closely since he first arrived in Washington tk2kewl Apr 2016 #162
Your reading skills are quite subpar. Again, if Sanders cared so much about black folk, he Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #163
So when you are challenged for evidence you resort to insulting me. Nice. tk2kewl Apr 2016 #164
What evidence? He fucking marched and was arrested. So fucking what?? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #165
you claim his run is veiled racism with no evidence tk2kewl Apr 2016 #166
So now Bernie Sanders.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #15
According to you. He think he and his surrogates have issued subtle bigoted statements. Yes. Is he a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #19
Your OP implies a lot more than "I'm not sure".. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #28
One can use dog whistle tactics that are racially insensitive in nature and not necessarily be a Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #78
Are you talking about Hillary? All in it together Apr 2016 #34
This OP is about Bernie Sanders. Please stick to the topic. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #79
Your entire premise is that he's a racist for even running this year. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #59
I think he's made subtle and explicit racist statements about black voters in the American South. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #81
There's no uncertainty in your OP. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #111
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #189
Hunt you down? Really? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #193
Exactly! ColesCountyDem Apr 2016 #49
here's a good watch tomm2thumbs Apr 2016 #16
I'm calling bullshit! DAngelo136 Apr 2016 #29
Paul Wellstone and Denis Kucinich were indeed revolutionaries. Sanders just yelled and screamed Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #85
I'm so sorry the BSrs Hid you out of your own thread in the AA Group, LS! Now I know Cha Apr 2016 #196
This is so extremely ridiculous. Herman4747 Apr 2016 #31
when one candidate... tk2kewl Apr 2016 #45
This OP is about Bernie Sanders. If you can't answer the question, that's o.k. Sanders can't either. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #86
That's a shame. classykaren Apr 2016 #32
Excellent post pandr32 Apr 2016 #33
Aloha, pandr.. I just made a post that I know now she can't respond to b/c BSrs Hid her out of her Cha Apr 2016 #197
Thanks for the update Cha pandr32 Apr 2016 #198
K&R! betsuni Apr 2016 #36
till the Black president brought this country to a stable situation, no one would risk a revolution La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #37
I was just thinking something similar in reading the replies above... OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #67
yup DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #216
Come on, we both know why. And just FYI "the revolution".....it's bullshit. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2016 #39
Thank you! Finally someone tells the truth! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #87
K&R. Paladin Apr 2016 #40
When Obama formed his first cabinet is when the revolution began. maggies farm Apr 2016 #41
...and yet, you didn't answer the OP's question. Didn't even attempt. Just resorts to bashing the Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #88
I will not put words in another mouth maggies farm Apr 2016 #103
If you shit on black voters and the black president, you will lose. Sanders is learning this lesson. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #158
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #202
Citizens United was the last straw demwing Apr 2016 #42
What does citizens united have to do with the black president? And you proved my point... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #89
He is very pragmatic and knows the right moment has arrived now. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #43
accusations of racism again...fabulous navarth Apr 2016 #48
There is so much wrong with your post, I don't know where to start. Then I saw how many hides FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #51
I don't give a damn about HIDES! Don't be silly or childish. I speak my mind. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #90
Your response just confirms what I wrote. Were you too busy to read it? That's fine, I can FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #120
Typical. This post is about Sanders. Not Hillary. If you can't direct your comments to the OP, then Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #140
What utter bullshit noiretextatique Apr 2016 #56
I would say this group doesnt have to look far at all to find racist intent, not with Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #62
Well said, JWS. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #68
"but the reason she does has much more to do with those surrounding and supporting Berne" Number23 Apr 2016 #124
Yes, incredibly absurd! Sad that someone would post it. n/t Herman4747 Apr 2016 #108
Since we disgust and bother you so much, PLEASE don't feel like you have to come here and respond Number23 Apr 2016 #125
He has been saying these things all his life. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #57
Reading comprehension is KEY! Go back and read carefully this time. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #92
I dont agree or believe Bernie is responding now because Obama is black, but I do Actor Apr 2016 #112
I agree with that. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #118
The president accomplished so much more than most people realize, and he did so in Actor Apr 2016 #119
I've been pondering the phenomena of Sanders a lot lately ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #60
I completely agree with this statement Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #65
Brilliant, brilliant analysis!!! I love this! Truthful, honest and reasonable. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #91
Thank you! ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #106
+1, IThe gender and racial establishment in the DNC is having a temper.... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #145
I find your opinion and comments to be direct reflections of Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #63
What an utter load of crap davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #80
You only have 22 posts, sweetheart. You know nothing about me. But, carry on... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #93
"The man marched with Martin Luther King" Number23 Apr 2016 #127
Your point being? davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #148
That old "he marched with MLK" crap has been tossed around so much as some sort of substitute for Number23 Apr 2016 #149
I'm sorry the 60's civil rights movement doesn't carry much water for you davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #150
The idea that someone doing the "he marched with MLK while Hillary was a Goldwater girl" spiel Number23 Apr 2016 #167
I'm glad you find me precious and adorable davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #169
Sanders marching was admirable but I don't understand why you are acting like what he Number23 Apr 2016 #170
He did more than simply join the March on Washington, but you know that. davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #171
"chained, beaten and arrested" too bad that only one of those things is actually true Number23 Apr 2016 #175
"Chained, beaten and arrested" - all of those things are true davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #179
No one has said his reactions aren't worth a damn. But his actions don't make him some great Number23 Apr 2016 #180
I'll agree to one single point davenelson5555 Apr 2016 #181
I think you're asking the wrong question.... mike_c Apr 2016 #94
HA! Touche! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #96
This is the last election he would realistically run in JI7 Apr 2016 #95
He should have run against the president in 2012. He was calling for him to be primaried. Why not Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #97
Sanders has no respect for President Obama and wants to throw away Obama's legacy Gothmog Apr 2016 #98
YEP! Some of his supporters are feigning outrage and ignorance. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #99
Simple - he sees his time is much more limited to make a bigger impact elfin Apr 2016 #102
Hmmmm....interesting. What an opportune time, then. Welp, good luck to him, then. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #104
I'm Really Tired of noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #107
I'm not worried about BS, His campaign will be a .... dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #109
I don't think Bernie is racist. I do think some of his campaign people and many of his . . . brush Apr 2016 #115
Why did Occupy Wall Street wait until we had a black prez to organize against greed and corruption? Dems to Win Apr 2016 #117
FINALLY, an intelligent thoughtful answer from someone who disagrees Number23 Apr 2016 #128
Definitely. We need a BETTER New Deal, that includes everyone this time. Dems to Win Apr 2016 #136
what??? SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #126
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #129
Maybe you should ask him instead of speculate Perogie Apr 2016 #130
He already answered. Told me that my family's vote in the American South mean nothing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #183
The "Southern votes don't count but YEAARRRGGH Wyoming!!11" posts would give any thinking person Number23 Apr 2016 #131
Are some racist? Sure. Just like some Hillary voters are. UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #137
Yes !! If Sanders had any real track record of leading people wouldn't have to get to know him uponit7771 Apr 2016 #147
Sanders DID NOT start any revolutions. chknltl Apr 2016 #132
An intelligent response! Thank you! I used to listen to "Brunch with Bernie" for years. I purchased Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #139
Post #129 Jury Results Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #133
Sorry Bernie Bros. you couldn't censor this one. RandySF Apr 2016 #134
+1000. There's only one thing we disagree on : ecstatic Apr 2016 #135
My honest answer Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #138
i disagree about edwards JI7 Apr 2016 #141
I did slightly misstate that Chitown Kev Apr 2016 #142
DING DING DING !! I posted something similar to this before reading this thread. GREAT MINDS!!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #143
As always, love! ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #153
I thought he probably thought it was a good time because of Occupy Wall Street gollygee Apr 2016 #146
They are not just gangs of kids anymore. RepubliCON-Watch Apr 2016 #151
What utter bullshit! The idea that Bernie announced at this time because Obama is AA. Akamai Apr 2016 #156
Ask Sanders to build his coalition of blacks, Hispanics, women and people of all walks of life... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #160
I wondered that myself. But another way of looking at it is why did he wait pnwmom Apr 2016 #161
"The cradle of the Civil Rights Movement is in the American South." PREACH IT!! TELL THESE PEOPLE Number23 Apr 2016 #168
He made a ton of mistakes. Too many of his most ardent followers or supporters look and sound Actor Apr 2016 #182
You wrote: And, I think most anger at him, like in this thread, is actually at his supporters. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #184
I completely understand. Maybe i discounted the alienation done by Bernie himself, whether Actor Apr 2016 #185
And June can't come soon enough for me Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #174
Please do, my friend. I'd be honored. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #190
Oh thanks, brilliant LS71! Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #192
Interesting, huh, the president who was successful in getting healthcare through congress, go figure Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #176
While BS's "medicare for all" was blocked in subcommittee! Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #177
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Apr 2016 #186
Less to do with Obama being black and shifting to the right significantly after "Hope & Change" aikoaiko Apr 2016 #187
He's not a racist JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #188
That he blames Obama for not deliverings "effective" Hope and Change the way YOU and Sanders wanted Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2016 #191
You are not reading what I wrote. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #194
She's not hate filled except for when JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #199
I wasn't really commenting on her position on the Clintons aikoaiko Apr 2016 #200
You should - search her User Name JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #201
when I have time I will, but even if she hates Clintons with the heat of a 1000 suns aikoaiko Apr 2016 #204
I don't want to speak directly for her JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #205
Fair enough -- thank you. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #206
Excellent Question, LS.. and one the members of The Obama Diary have been asking, too. Cha Apr 2016 #195
Listen, we all thought Obama would govern like a Progressive, those who believed in him anyway, highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #203
Nobody hates you for loving Bernie JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #207
First of all, thank you for your kind words. I feel a little silly, because I did not fully realize highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #209
These are all things I understand JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #210
Oh boo hoo.. President Obama is Progressive. Progressive means getting things done and that's Cha Apr 2016 #208
These people kill me when they don't see Obama walking on water... Digital Puppy Apr 2016 #211
I know, DP.. they all have the same mantra.. "disappointed".. BS actually used that word when Cha Apr 2016 #214
His actual success, especially in light of the outrageous obstruction, is monumental. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #212
HOPE fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #213
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #215
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