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87. You are screaming and LOSING. TERRIBLY.

Sun May 15, 2016, 06:35 PM

May 2016

Sanders has lost the black vote in every possible way, regardless of age, income, gender or anything. He is losing the Asian vote, the Hispanic vote, the female vote, every vote that constitutes the Democratic base he is LOSING. And he is losing BADLY.

Bernie has been "addressing" minority issues for decades which is why he's removed himself from minority focused organizations because they were too focused on race. : Which is why black Vermonters want little to do with him, because every time they tried to discuss the myriad ways that racism affects EVERY FACET of our lives, he dismissed it. Just like so many of his clueless supporters do.

Even your posts in this forum about "leading a horse to water" speak to a deep feeling that you apparently have that Bernie supporters have the facts, that they and only they UNDERSTAND. It couldn't possibly occur to you and people like you that black voters, women voters etc. see Bernie Sanders, are familiar with him and his policies and have roundly rejected him. And whether you come to grips with that or not, that is EXACTLY what has happened.

I've asked you before to leave this thread and I am doing so again. I won't ask a third time.

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"White People are Not as Important as Bernie Sanders Thinks" [View all] pnwmom May 2016 OP

Look at his platform and see if you think his policies will make life better for you and your family boobooday May 2016 #1

Why do you assume I haven't read BOTH platforms? pnwmom May 2016 #3

Because it sounds like you are basing your decision boobooday May 2016 #5

You assume that anyone who reads Bernie's platform will be struck with how superior it is. pnwmom May 2016 #8

No, I just wondered because your post was all about boobooday May 2016 #10

It isn't a SELLING point for many of us that Bernie appeals to angry white men. pnwmom May 2016 #12

Nailed it again.. thank you, pnwmom~ Cha May 2016 #219

+1 Nailed it. fleabiscuit May 2016 #41

what don't you like about Bernie's platform ? Pharaoh May 2016 #56

Hillary supporters strongly believe it shouldn't just be about economic equality pnwmom May 2016 #64

Speaking personally, I'm wary about "breaking up the banks" as an end in itself Recursion May 2016 #122

His interview with the NY Daily showed how little thought he'd given to that subject. pnwmom May 2016 #152

Yeah, the Ex-Im pandering has been nauseating Recursion May 2016 #153

A blow for logic PATRICK May 2016 #142

This is really what drives me crazy, I think, if I had to pick one thing Recursion May 2016 #147

Ok so what part of his platform sucks? nt Lucky Luciano May 2016 #6

I think his platform is raw pie in the sky that doesn't have a chance of being pnwmom May 2016 #9

I think nobody really expects congress to work with Hillary or Bernie. Lucky Luciano May 2016 #19

If you think wallyworld2 May 2016 #43

It's so monotone eom MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #18

Have Read it all Cryptoad May 2016 #26

Who lost to Hillary? Lordquinton May 2016 #35

How many Bernies are running? rock May 2016 #90

Didn't realise what group I was in Lordquinton May 2016 #124

Mahalo rock for the "How many Bernies are running".. Cha May 2016 #220

LOL! rock May 2016 #231

I'm disabled from 2 separate causes greiner3 May 2016 #50

If you are on SSDI and disabled you are either on Medicare or will be after two years of Thinkingabout May 2016 #55

My Point? People living in poverty should not Cryptoad May 2016 #140

Please show me source that backs up this claim Perogie May 2016 #58

I believe the BS plan has been referred to as... fleabiscuit May 2016 #86

Its all on his web site unless Cryptoad May 2016 #141

Woohoo! Brilliant reasoning. brush May 2016 #2

white rage? Triloon May 2016 #4

This is the African American group gollygee May 2016 #11

It is all they have, the race card. Personally I think Bernie is ten times better for all Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #21

I understand incrementalism but... That Guy 888 May 2016 #27

12$ has wide support in congress - 15$ does not. Pulling a number out of your but or bluffing like bettyellen May 2016 #212

Incrementalism Sejon May 2016 #52

thank you Triloon May 2016 #32

"Racist self indulgence"? pnwmom May 2016 #68

Amazing, isnt it. Wow Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #82

There is nothing "racist" about minority voters trying to figure out why some think that the angry Number23 May 2016 #71

No, I dont think thats racist and Triloon May 2016 #107

"Angry hoards" is off base hyperbole. KPN May 2016 #135

"Angry hoards" isn't English. Angry hordes, which is what I wrote, is exactly what alot of people Number23 May 2016 #137

Haha. You are right! And I thought I was a pretty good speller! KPN May 2016 #176

I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll say lovemydog May 2016 #194

Mmmm ... but doesn't it really go both ways to a degree? KPN May 2016 #234

Yes, it definitely goes both ways. lovemydog May 2016 #242

There is nothing racist or self indulgent in the OP. gollygee May 2016 #105

"We want it back." For some value of "it". Recursion May 2016 #7

+1. nt pnwmom May 2016 #13

right here before our eyes even rbrnmw May 2016 #217

And here Recursion May 2016 #239

reminds me of Dorothy Parker Mary Mac May 2016 #14

The sad thing is that to appeal to people of color and women, a candidate will HAVE to alienate Squinch May 2016 #15

Exactly. Over the last 40 years, for the first time in the history of this country, white men Number23 May 2016 #23

I don't see where Sanders explicitly or even "dog-whistled" that he only wanted white voters. That Guy 888 May 2016 #33

Praising the economics of the 1950s and 1960s and New Deal is a pretty clear example Recursion May 2016 #36

What happened before the New Deal? What made the New Deal New? That Guy 888 May 2016 #37

It was a step that locked minorities out of the middle class Recursion May 2016 #38

It was partly what FDR thought he could get, and partly he wasn't as good a Dem as his wife. That Guy 888 May 2016 #45

Sure thing. I made some charts a while ago Recursion May 2016 #48

That doesn't help what you posted. That Guy 888 May 2016 #53

I don't understand your question Recursion May 2016 #57

Exactly: Squinch May 2016 #106

The men/women question is interesting and more difficult Recursion May 2016 #143

Please do. That would be interesting. Squinch May 2016 #192

OK, here's what I found Recursion May 2016 #215

And woohoo. Women are now almost where men were in 1950. Which is sad. And we're losing ground. Squinch May 2016 #237

It's an interesting demonstration of how actual income matters less than how fast it's changing Recursion May 2016 #240

Wow. Thanks for putting this all together, Recursion. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #116

Good stuff here... Digital Puppy May 2016 #189

... BumRushDaShow May 2016 #62

I will never, EVER understand why this simple point eludes so many here Number23 May 2016 #76

+infinity BumRushDaShow May 2016 #79

+1 lovemydog May 2016 #125

What you imagine is true -- and that's the problem. FDR's programs lifted white boats much higher pnwmom May 2016 #115

And the assumption is that Sanders seeks to be so discriminatory? Scootaloo May 2016 #132

It's mostly that it's always been what happened before Recursion May 2016 #139

So it's the accuser's own bias and assumptions. Scootaloo May 2016 #144

In shocking news, people's experience often informs their future behavior Recursion May 2016 #146

There is much experience with Sanders doing this? Scootaloo May 2016 #148

Some of it's even posted in this thread. Recursion May 2016 #149

One link, actually. Posting it twice doesn't make it multiple examples. Scootaloo May 2016 #150

Well, browse the group more and it may make more sense Recursion May 2016 #151

Well, I've been through it, for over a year now. Scootaloo May 2016 #155

No one has said anything remotely like: "Bernie is pro-lynching." pnwmom May 2016 #158

No, I'm not Scootaloo May 2016 #164

No, they aren't. Recognizing that a rising tide does not lift all boats is NOT anti-semitic. pnwmom May 2016 #179

Of course, that's not what I said, either. Scootaloo May 2016 #184

I've never said he is a schemer, deceitful, craven, greedy or that he's plotting and conspiring. pnwmom May 2016 #206

Per JAG's request, i'm stepping out of this thread Scootaloo May 2016 #238

actually, it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz and now Barbara Boxer and Barney Frank who are all Jewish JI7 May 2016 #216

Please step away from the thread JustAnotherGen May 2016 #186

If you insist. Scootaloo May 2016 #187

Thanks, JAG. I've had enough of the ever so casually incessant "anti Semitism" claims too Number23 May 2016 #199

Was trying to warn him also JustAnotherGen May 2016 #201

Bravenak would have likely been hidden by that person for anti-Semitism, real or not Number23 May 2016 #202

True - so true JustAnotherGen May 2016 #221

Thanks JAG. pnwmom May 2016 #205

Mahalo, Gen~ You and the other hosts in your AA Group are so Cha May 2016 #222

Yes, you're describing how people react to politicians Recursion May 2016 #161

Of course there was a magnificent interference campaign Scootaloo May 2016 #166

Your words: "1StrongBlackMan openly engages in racism to try to defame and belittle betsuni May 2016 #167

Actually it's quite based Scootaloo May 2016 #183

... betsuni May 2016 #165

Of course. Scootaloo May 2016 #180

I don't know what's worse. Your baseless charges of anti-Semitism that you keep thinking you are Number23 May 2016 #198

As you know.. those are their go-to blanket memes for anyone who doesn't like burnie.. Cha May 2016 #223

You are not getting the argument. No one is saying anything about lynching. Squinch May 2016 #193

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #208

If you can't understand why many black people are not supporting Sanders this late in the game Number23 May 2016 #197

All have is a bunch of hot air on Sanders part. And his past in Vermont indicates pnwmom May 2016 #156

His past, as cited by three people, and contradicted by three other people in the same article? Scootaloo May 2016 #162

things like focusing on college for everyone- when our HSs are so messed up- bettyellen May 2016 #213

You are, of course, right passiveporcupine May 2016 #46

I'm not sure there can be an economic message that's "not about race" in this country (nt) Recursion May 2016 #51

I don't see how it can be "just" about race passiveporcupine May 2016 #54

Well, OK, but take the whole wage stagnation narrative Recursion May 2016 #59

I'm not saying he did dog whistle that he only wanted white voters, and I don't actually think Squinch May 2016 #102

He claimed that he didn't campaign in the south (though he did) and then that it didn't matter pnwmom May 2016 #114

racism in his supporters messages DLCWIdem May 2016 #157

Thankfully that crap did not go unnoticed & down the rabblit hole.. one does wonder Cha May 2016 #224

Spam deleted by MIR Team Sejon May 2016 #111

Tapping into the boiling nihilism of would be Trump supporters? KPN May 2016 #16

Hillary lived in D.C. and in New York but still found the time to stay connected pnwmom May 2016 #20

Yes, she stayed in touch, will stay in touch. She is also smart enough to not rely Thinkingabout May 2016 #60

Well, you kind of missed my point. I'm not saying that you should favor Bernie over Hillary. KPN May 2016 #133

In many small and yet significant ways, Hillary has stayed connected ever since she moved pnwmom May 2016 #160

Bernie has done a lot more than "participate in a few marches." KPN May 2016 #175

I think Bernie needed to do a lot more LISTENING and a lot less lecturing. pnwmom May 2016 #178

Who is we? I'm 65. KPN May 2016 #188

And yet voters over 50, as a group, are much more like to support Hillary pnwmom May 2016 #190

Can't argue with that. KPN May 2016 #233

Thank you, KPN. pnwmom May 2016 #235

Yup. You are right! And thank you! KPN May 2016 #236

I have read up on her campaigning a little DLCWIdem May 2016 #163

+1 Martin Eden May 2016 #25

BS is an establishment politician. eom fleabiscuit May 2016 #65

Thanks, KPN. Duval May 2016 #34

"brown"? I presume they mean Mesoamerican, and they're going for Sanders MisterP May 2016 #17

I guess they mean the Latino vote. Most has gone to Hillary lunamagica May 2016 #29

White people haven't been won by a winning Dem in several election cycles. Starry Messenger May 2016 #22

Sanders' campaign will be taught in books on how NOT to appeal to minorities/the Dem base Number23 May 2016 #24

Oh hell yeah. Starry Messenger May 2016 #28

You can lead a horse to water passiveporcupine May 2016 #47

Funny, I see entitled people screaming that their guy should win over the millions of votes of Number23 May 2016 #67

You are not seeing the millions of voters I'm seeing passiveporcupine May 2016 #69

I am seeing the millions of minority voters who are standing up and VERY CLEARLY saying what we Number23 May 2016 #74

You have no idea what I'm seeing passiveporcupine May 2016 #81

You are screaming and LOSING. TERRIBLY. Number23 May 2016 #87

Bernie is addressing minority concerns -- NOW he is. But when he entered into the campaign, pnwmom May 2016 #118

Spam deleted by MIR Team Sejon May 2016 #110

+1000 nt brer cat May 2016 #78

Absolutely. lovemydog May 2016 #195

And what's so bad about it, it's bad enough when his manic supporters say this kind of crap Number23 May 2016 #200

Yeah, I remember. lovemydog May 2016 #204

Oh, and remember when Hillary won Georgia or one of the Southern states.. and then Cha May 2016 #226

Thank you so much for this, 23.. Cha May 2016 #225

I gave up on white people in politics after 2004. wildeyed May 2016 #96

I'm totally right there with you. Starry Messenger May 2016 #100

I read something where many white union guys have to be wildeyed May 2016 #104

Demographically, things haven't changed that much Sejon May 2016 #103

But it might be enough. wildeyed May 2016 #108

Which is why the "I want the Democratic party back!" shouts disturb me Recursion May 2016 #123

They shout that they want their party back wildeyed May 2016 #171

Wish I had a way to disagree with that Recursion May 2016 #172

The Democratic Party is the big tent party...and sanders dismisses beachbumbob May 2016 #30

Sorry, but if you really believe what you jsut wrote passiveporcupine May 2016 #49

If Hillary wins, you'll get what you voted for. Duval May 2016 #31

The most intelligent response to the spew from self-appointed guardians to the status quo. Thanks. erronis May 2016 #42

A lot of people are going to be thrown under the bus Sejon May 2016 #84

What else explains Sanders' wins? Look at the states he's won? Look at the polls? Look at who is Number23 May 2016 #93

Sanders reminds me more and more of Jim Webb. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #39

When did Bernie say his message "resonates freedom fighter jh May 2016 #40

He wants more than that, because just getting the delegates from those states will NOT pnwmom May 2016 #72

I heard him say he's asking superdelegates from states where he won a majority to vote for him. freedom fighter jh May 2016 #145

It IS over with regard to pledged delegates. There are too few pledged delegates left to pnwmom May 2016 #154

Disconnect freedom fighter jh May 2016 #170

It would not matter what anyone said to you about bernie passiveporcupine May 2016 #44

Absolutely elljay May 2016 #66

You need to step away from this thread. If all you can muster up in response to this OP is Number23 May 2016 #80

Sorry, I've watched this OPfor a long time and every message is the same. passiveporcupine May 2016 #85

The OP posted an article from the perspective of a minority voter. This is a WIDELY held view which Number23 May 2016 #88

Hallelujah! Cha May 2016 #227

I don't hate Bernie. I would have voted for him if he were the nominee, but I don't see that pnwmom May 2016 #121

Bernie's ignorance of the popularity of President Barack Obama has been his downfall thelordofhell May 2016 #61

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #73

This is the impression my friends have of Bernie as well gwheezie May 2016 #94

it doesn't help that so many Sanders supporters hate Obama JI7 May 2016 #98

+1. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #119

Oh lordy... Mahalo for bringing that up, tloh! that was certainly one of his most Cha May 2016 #228

Huh? libodem May 2016 #63

"Bernie has been in the center of the Civil Rights Movement from the get go." BumRushDaShow May 2016 #77

+10 Duppers May 2016 #95

Bernie isn't even the "center of the Civil Rights Movement" in Vermont. pnwmom May 2016 #112

It's "Let's Play the Race Card for Clinton" time again. sulphurdunn May 2016 #70

A hearty, intelligent contribution. Can you spare us any further ones? Number23 May 2016 #83

Sure. How about a nugget of wisdom? sulphurdunn May 2016 #89

You sound like an expert on both! Number23 May 2016 #91

I'm happy you can relate. sulphurdunn May 2016 #99

It took you half an hour plus to come up with that? Number23 May 2016 #101

LOL.. you otoh have been a genuine Cha May 2016 #229

The argument that Super Delegates (or anyone) should vote based upon lexington filly May 2016 #75

What a great post. Thanks for that. Number23 May 2016 #92

Ride that pony home! wildeyed May 2016 #97

Of course, that's what this election needs Sejon May 2016 #109

The division is there: look at the exit polls. Why do you think people shouldn't discuss it? nt pnwmom May 2016 #113

If you'd seen some of the posts of his that have been deleted gollygee May 2016 #117

I seem to have opened pnwmom May 2016 #120

I guess an article about angry white people makes angry white people angrier. betsuni May 2016 #126

Ain't that the fucking truth. Number23 May 2016 #127

I know! It is so messed up! +1 northernsouthern May 2016 #129

That was a whole bunch of nothing in your post Number23 May 2016 #130

Guaranteed. Cha May 2016 #230

This posted article is a bit racist. northernsouthern May 2016 #128

What does any of the foolishness of your post have to do with this OP? Number23 May 2016 #131

I have the same questions. lovemydog May 2016 #134

Two posts from him in this thread, both a whole bunch of nothing. Been here a month and SEVEN hides Number23 May 2016 #136

Wow lovemydog May 2016 #138

When I see a long post wildeyed May 2016 #169

LOL lovemydog May 2016 #182

I remember another poutrage wildeyed May 2016 #210

For everyone's consideration Beowulf May 2016 #159

They left when LBJ passed Voting Rights. wildeyed May 2016 #168

RFK's campaign was 1968, after the Voting Rights Act Beowulf May 2016 #173

Good questions. lovemydog May 2016 #185

"people who have lapsed into ignorant hysteria and actively discourage others from voting " PREACH! bettyellen May 2016 #214

Probably had more to do with his brother's death wildeyed May 2016 #203

Mostly because I think he show how certain problems cut across racial lines, Beowulf May 2016 #207

Not all working class whites are racist. wildeyed May 2016 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #177

Wild-eyed, I've often asked myself these same questions. lovemydog May 2016 #243

Thank you Recursion May 2016 #174

You're welcome, Recursion. And thank you for your participation! n/t pnwmom May 2016 #191

Yes, thank you. lovemydog May 2016 #196

To be fair, 40-45% of white voters pretty consistently vote Dem in presidential elections YoungDemCA May 2016 #181

Yup. This has been a thing since the beginning- the idea that their vote is crucial. bettyellen May 2016 #211

"In what UNIVERSE am I supporting the guy who is being buoyed by “white rage” over the person who Cha May 2016 #218

Mahalo, Cha! n/t pnwmom May 2016 #232

It is good. No wonder they are trying to pretend the rage is nothing to see here. bettyellen May 2016 #241

Yeah, very good. lovemydog May 2016 #244

lovemydog, thank you, but the brilliant writing wasn't mine. It was Elie Mystal's. pnwmom May 2016 #245

Elie Mystal lovemydog May 2016 #246