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Kind of Blue

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14. Neither were the signs omnipresent to the degree
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

of mythic proportions in living memory. What I find interesting has been the prevasiveness-of-the-sign debate online, totally dismissing Prof. Jensen's well researched paper. To his critics, seeing one or a few signs was enough to foster the belief of rampant descrimintation; up until the 1960s, as one critic cites. Another deflection to me to nullify the paper as well as the history of AA in America to this day.

He ends with
Did the Irish come to America in the face of intense hostility, symbolized by the omnipresent sign, "Help Wanted: No Irish Need Apply"? The hard evidence suggests that on the whole Irish immigrants as employees were welcomed by employers; their entry was never restricted; and no one proposed they be excluded [End Page 418] like the Chinese, let alone sent back. Instead of firing Catholics to make way for Protestant workers, most employers did exactly the opposite. That is, the dominant culture actively moved to create new jobs specifically for the unskilled Irish workers.

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The court case in Virginia that manumitted the Irish slaves is kind of fascinating Recursion May 2016 #1
really? heaven05 May 2016 #4
Agreed. Even one of the earliest cases Master Samuel Symonds against Irish slaves, Kind of Blue May 2016 #9
K&R zentrum May 2016 #2
Any laws of the time declaring the Irish were property? sarge43 May 2016 #3
The system of indentured servitude was legal and many of the people in it pnwmom May 2016 #18
and read about the Draft Riots of 1863 ... kwassa May 2016 #5
Its not just right wingers Coolest Ranger May 2016 #6
White liberals are different from white right wingers only in their acknowledgment of Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #8
The No Irish Need Apply signs is another myth Kind of Blue May 2016 #7
+1000 heaven05 May 2016 #10
Holy crap! Those No Irish signs were fake???! I've heard about those for years! Number23 May 2016 #12
They weren't fake. Behind the Aegis May 2016 #13
So was the point of acting like the "No Irish" signs were more prevalent than they really were Number23 May 2016 #15
I am not certain. Behind the Aegis May 2016 #17
Neither were the signs omnipresent to the degree Kind of Blue May 2016 #14
So a few "No Irish" signs and some are willing to compare the Irish struggle with the black struggle Number23 May 2016 #16
Exactly. No one discounts the discrimination Kind of Blue May 2016 #20
The signs were real. Prof. Jensen's theory was disproved by a teenager with online research. pnwmom May 2016 #19
Oh, I've read that and I can add to your argument Kind of Blue May 2016 #21
Of course it was much worse for black people. But the two realities existed at once. pnwmom May 2016 #22
I am not trying to minimize either. I recognize them and not just Kind of Blue May 2016 #23
I hate it when liberals do this too. Starry Messenger May 2016 #11
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