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Baobab

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70. Have people here read this?

Sat May 21, 2016, 06:39 PM

May 2016

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This is an important missing piece of data on what was really happening in 1994-1995.

http://www.pnhp.org/sites/default/files/Nick%20Skala%20GAT%20and%20Health%20Reform.pdf

behind the scenes, this global deal was being set up. The other part of it, not mentioned here, is a jig job trading scheme. Part of its goal is lowering wages in developed countries by pitting us against people - highly skilled professionals, in developing countries.

Its a moral minefield but I propose that we all take a deep breath and dive in and read about it and ask ourselves, what is right. I think its a case of the Clintons and their friends basically "two timing" us all, making promises which were and are designed to milk the most possible money out of peoples trust- without delivering the goods-

Perhaps promising (or not promising, they would probably claim no futures were promised) the same futures to two separate groups of people.

Developing countries could access that wealth, if they just were the winning low bidders on services procurement bids- Big chunks of the public sector have to be privatized under GATS- and then globalized- this will hurt black people and women and all Americans because jobs here created by tax money wont go to us unless we have the winning low bids, which may be impossible because of wages-

You can learn a lot about "progressive liberalisation" and economic integration - I dont know the best place to read criticism of it- the problems with their sort of el-dorado like aspect

The pro globalization viewpoint is all you will read on web sites like ictsd.org

http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/bridges/overview
http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/bridges/news/services-liberalisation-talks-among-group-of-wto-members-move-forward
http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/bridges/news/us-presidential-contenders-spar-on-trade-as-white-house-continues-tpp-push

Maybe cuts-geneva.org's "WTO Note" series?

http://www.cuts-geneva.org/pacteac/images/Documents/EAC%20Forum/Forum17/EAC%20Geneva%20Forum-%20WTO%20Note%2017.pdf

here are some others

http://www.ictsd.org/downloads/2008/06/gallagher.pdf

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTRANETTRADE/Resources/C13.pdf (see around page 278)

http://www.cuts-geneva.org/pacteac/images/Documents/EAC%20Forum/Forum22/EAC%20Geneva%20Forum-%20WTO%20Note%2022.pdf

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Yes Bernie, the System is Rigged. Whining about it won't win you Black votes. Here's why. [View all] UMTerp01 May 2016 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #1

Stand by The Polack MSgt May 2016 #2

No chairs were thrown. Baobab May 2016 #42

Are you serious? wildeyed May 2016 #51

No chairs were thrown. A chair was lifted by one guy who was hugged and the chair was taken from him Baobab May 2016 #62

You are serious! wildeyed May 2016 #69

I understand- My first post I didnt realize that- but I do now- But wait a second before you lump me Baobab May 2016 #76

Those things may or may not be true. wildeyed May 2016 #81

Sounds like a plan- Baobab May 2016 #85

So instead of answering the clearly stated points in the OP, you come racing in here to talk about Number23 May 2016 #91

maybe we should do less talk about "connecting" and more talk about money for example, health care Baobab May 2016 #97

I don't really know what you're talking about in this post Number23 May 2016 #99

In the 1990s, the US was instrumental in setting up the WTO, one of the so called Baobab May 2016 #108

And I still don't know what any of that has to do with this OP. Number23 May 2016 #113

I believe there is some lecturing going on here as to why you need to support Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #123

Even Snopes says - false. 840high May 2016 #82

not about the death threats and doxxing. KittyWampus May 2016 #138

Sanders 87%, Trump 6% MisterP May 2016 #3

Thats general election support...NOT PRIMARY UMTerp01 May 2016 #6

ummm retrowire May 2016 #4

+1 kacekwl May 2016 #5

Agreed DarkScholar82 May 2016 #7

Reading comprehension? You should try it. UMTerp01 May 2016 #13

That's how I read it. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #21

So it's OK if Hillary does the rigging? nt The Far Left May 2016 #30

I don't like any rigging. Are you aware of where you are? nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #37

A safe place to share views I hope The Far Left May 2016 #65

Have people here read this? Baobab May 2016 #70

WTO talk is pretty wonky! The Far Left May 2016 #88

+1 Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #28

+2 Enthusiast May 2016 #10

Yes. "Sanders and his surrogates represent a discomfiting liberal white privilege." Nitram May 2016 #16

Exactly!!! And Black folks saw right through it nt UMTerp01 May 2016 #19

Well, I have only one thing to offer to the "they rigged the system" crowd. NNadir May 2016 #25

wow that's a fucked up opinion you have there. retrowire May 2016 #29

^^^ THIS ^^^. Especially, "I wish they'd go away". Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #50

hmmmm yuiyoshida May 2016 #54

So many things ...but "we have a strong rule of law in this country." truebluegreen May 2016 #64

That pushed my button as well. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #71

And all that from an (apparently) AA perspective? truebluegreen May 2016 #79

I regularly interact with people from China, India and a number of European countries. NNadir May 2016 #86

My evidence of my claim is the unequal application of our laws truebluegreen May 2016 #111

Well, I'm happy you live in some foreign Nirvana. Which one? NNadir May 2016 #118

I live in a "developing" country, not that that is any of your business. truebluegreen May 2016 #121

^^^This^^^ sheshe2 May 2016 #73

Bernie is against nuclear power, lots of environmentalists are against nuclear power. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #83

You do realize that Clinton Supports Fracking? Silver_Witch May 2016 #126

Agree. October May 2016 #26

I agree! secondwind May 2016 #33

Can you tell me exactly where in this article anyone mentioned ANYTHING about "pandering" to black Number23 May 2016 #92

There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters Gothmog May 2016 #127

Good analysis, imo. Digital Puppy May 2016 #128

I do see the point, and it's a good one. SusanCalvin May 2016 #8

Still trying hard to divide us by color? Bodych May 2016 #9

I'm speaking about a specific issue in the AFRICAN AMERICAN GROUP UMTerp01 May 2016 #11

You are dividing. That's why you brought this stale issue back. Bodych May 2016 #15

You have some nerve talking about issues being raised again and again.... UMTerp01 May 2016 #18

Yes, I have NERVE all right. And your true colors are showing. n/t Bodych May 2016 #20

What true colors? I raise an issue specific to African Americans in the African Americans group UMTerp01 May 2016 #23

Yes we get it, you posted it in the AFRICAN AMERICAN GROUP retrowire May 2016 #31

Divisive how? Because it isn't kissing the Sanders ring? nt UMTerp01 May 2016 #34

No, this isn't about Bernie, as much as you want to make it about him. retrowire May 2016 #44

Its not really division. Its "you guys are late to the party" UMTerp01 May 2016 #48

... But Bernie isn't trying to pander to black folk by pointing out a corrupt system lol retrowire May 2016 #59

No one is accusing him of trying to pander UMTerp01 May 2016 #67

Yes, that's what I read. SusanCalvin May 2016 #74

No ones accusing him of pandering? retrowire May 2016 #75

Not to me. wildeyed May 2016 #60

i told no one to defer to my opinion lol. nt retrowire May 2016 #104

Not ONE BLACK PERSON in this thread has seen it has divisive. Judging by the rec's and the Number23 May 2016 #93

the only people that see it as divisive retrowire May 2016 #106

How the hell is anyone in here "divided?" This is the most racially inclusive forum on this web site Number23 May 2016 #107

but again, and everyone misses this point for some reason... retrowire May 2016 #110

Why in God's name do you keep talking about "pandering?" And how is it possible that you do not Number23 May 2016 #112

"it pits Bernie and his supporters in an opposing stance to AA's" Tarc May 2016 #122

Blocked Member - Long Time Group Disruptor JustAnotherGen May 2016 #114

It's only "divisive" to those coming into the AA Group who are disrupting and trying to divide. Cha May 2016 #132

Are you aware you're in the African American Group? Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #52

You are posting in the African American Group. sheshe2 May 2016 #77

Blocked Member JustAnotherGen May 2016 #117

It's not stale and this is the AA forum. wildeyed May 2016 #57

If you don't like that important issues of race are discussed in the African American group, PLEASE Number23 May 2016 #94

I blocked the poster JustAnotherGen May 2016 #116

"Still trying hard to divide us by color?" That's the go to meme for BS fans Cha May 2016 #131

"Whining"? Wibly May 2016 #12

Yes, whining. Nitram May 2016 #22

perhaps Bern u should have been a member of the Democratic Party Cryptoad May 2016 #14

It is sad to watch Bernie throw away all the amazing gains he made Nitram May 2016 #17

It's wonderful if you win by creating a movement. nt The Far Left May 2016 #35

True. But if "winning" means giving Trump an advantage, I'd say you lost. Nitram May 2016 #38

We give Trump an advantage by having him run against Hillary. nt The Far Left May 2016 #53

whenever anyone uses the "throwing chairs" stupidicus May 2016 #24

At no point have you seen supporters of Bernie Sanders ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #27

I'm more disturbed that they're using the sabotage of Rev. Jesse Jackson's campaign as their example MisterP May 2016 #43

This is a level of denial that would be disturbing if it was in any way surprising Number23 May 2016 #95

WTF does David Brock have to do with this conversation? wildeyed May 2016 #119

+1000 Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #32

Good for you, UMT ReRe May 2016 #36

In politics, doesn't it feel and work best to go with the candidate that stands up for the issues highprincipleswork May 2016 #39

I really appreciate your very thoughtful response UMTerp01 May 2016 #41

Thank you back. I think it's great we can have a real conversation. Phew! Little bits of highprincipleswork May 2016 #46

yep, that's what makes the author of the OP so laughably dumb or dishonest stupidicus May 2016 #47

Yo, I would suggest care and ease with a fellow Progressive who'e working it out their own reasons highprincipleswork May 2016 #58

if BS can be described/called a "whiner" for his noble efforts stupidicus May 2016 #63

Your posts in this thread are combatively and needlessly antagonistic. Was a nerve touched? Number23 May 2016 #98

"... his noble efforts".. oh Good Grief! Whatever he had went out the window when Cha May 2016 #135

Please step away and do not return to this thread Number23 May 2016 #96

Group Host - Blocked JustAnotherGen May 2016 #115

Nah, it's not the author of the OP who is so "laughably dumb or dishonest". Cha May 2016 #134

Thanks. nt SusanCalvin May 2016 #78

Amazing. beastie boy May 2016 #40

Its like some of them can't help themselves... UMTerp01 May 2016 #45

his hit piece has no point worth considering stupidicus May 2016 #55

Once again, point entirely missed beastie boy May 2016 #61

meaningless garbage stupidicus May 2016 #66

There is one thing worse than ignorance. beastie boy May 2016 #72

Thank you for trying, beastie. That person's proudly antagonistic ignorance is why he's been asked Number23 May 2016 #100

The tone deafness is remarkable, isn't it? mcar May 2016 #109

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #139

I knew it was a bullshit piece as soon tom_kelly May 2016 #49

We're all devastated you couldn't read the entire piece but astounded by your need to comment Number23 May 2016 #101

Fair point JustAnotherGen May 2016 #120

Que?? Number23 May 2016 #125

From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates Cha May 2016 #133

I suggest in future you stick (AA Group Posting) in your title, it will save the hosts a lot of..... Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #56

UMT, please listen to white people gwheezie May 2016 #68

Yes, that is what all of this is about, again. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #84

When have things not been rigged ? JI7 May 2016 #80

Thanks for posting this Digital Puppy May 2016 #87

Yes. fleabiscuit May 2016 #89

I noted that same thing. BS supporters are screaming that no chairs were thrown, or even more Number23 May 2016 #103

Got damn, got damn, GOT DAMN!!!! Number23 May 2016 #90

+1000 liberal N proud May 2016 #102

There's no whining. elleng May 2016 #105

Or you could start your own thread? n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #124

Excellent idea.. a thread about how burnie doesn't "whine" about how the system is "rigged" Cha May 2016 #136

Ya, his initial snivel jumped the shark to whining twenty-five years ago. fleabiscuit May 2016 #137

Sorry, Cha; elleng May 2016 #141

He's whining, the long shot black guy won with the same system Sanders is losing with right now... uponit7771 May 2016 #140

Yep, he's whining... Cha May 2016 #142

K&R betsuni May 2016 #129

K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #130