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In reply to the discussion: *AA GROUP* Ever notice how, in the discussions re: the "1%" vs. the "99%" [View all]ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)35. The White working class votes overwhelmingly Republican
Articles like these outline why--pure racism in its unadulterated form. The so-called economic driven fears, while real, do not mask the racism. Millennials, who are overwhelmingly supporting Sanders OR Trump are not going to overcome this deficit.
It's one of the purist lines of thought mixed with polling that cements my support for Hillary. I will not be a part of racist America, to the best of my ability. The assumption that AA's are on all on welfare, are all poor, are all uneducated, except for a few "good" ones, is so disgustingly racist, I can't begin to express it
After all, working-class whites didnt leave the Democratic Party over insufficiently populist policy and rhetoric. The liberal economic reforms of 1960sand Medicare in particularpaid benefits to white working-class families throughout the 1970s and 80s, even as the group moved to a decisive break with the Democrats. No, the proximate cause of the break was the Democratic Partys close identification with black Americans, whoafter the riots of the late 60s and 70sbecame identified with urban disorder and welfare.
Specifically, whites were bewildered and infuriated with liberals who defended rioting communitiescorrectly noting the decades of deprivation and abuse that led to those violent outburstsand pushed anti-poverty programs to address the underlying conditions. Black incomes rose while at the same time, many white incomes were beginning to stagnate or even fall. Why was the government spending our tax dollars on them, working-class whites asked, when they destroy their neighborhoods and refuse to work, and were losing our jobs and our homes? In Nixonland, historian Rick Perlstein captures the basic attitude by relaying this comment from a white construction worker, directed at George McGovern, Theyre payin people who are on welfare today doin nothin! Theyre laughin at our society! And were all hardworkin people and were gettin laughed at for workin every day!
Specifically, whites were bewildered and infuriated with liberals who defended rioting communitiescorrectly noting the decades of deprivation and abuse that led to those violent outburstsand pushed anti-poverty programs to address the underlying conditions. Black incomes rose while at the same time, many white incomes were beginning to stagnate or even fall. Why was the government spending our tax dollars on them, working-class whites asked, when they destroy their neighborhoods and refuse to work, and were losing our jobs and our homes? In Nixonland, historian Rick Perlstein captures the basic attitude by relaying this comment from a white construction worker, directed at George McGovern, Theyre payin people who are on welfare today doin nothin! Theyre laughin at our society! And were all hardworkin people and were gettin laughed at for workin every day!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/11/democrats_can_t_win_white_working_class_voters_the_party_is_too_closely.html
Here it is: I agree that social liberalism isn't quite the deal killer it used to be. Scheiber and Teixeira are right about that. It's still an issueespecially gun control, which remains more potent than a lot of liberals like to acknowledgebut it's fading somewhat in areas like abortion and gay marriage. There are still plenty of Fox-watching members of the WWC who are as socially conservative as ever, but I think it's safe to say that at the margins social issues are becoming a little less divisive among the WWC than they have been over the past few decades.
Also read: What If Everything You Knew About Poverty Was Wrong?"
But if that's the case, why does the WWC continue to loathe Democrats so badly? I think the answer is as old as the discussion itself: They hate welfare. There was a hope among some Democrats that Bill Clinton's 1996 welfare reform would remove this millstone from around Democrats' necks, and for a few years during the dotcom boom it probably did. The combination of tougher work rules and a booming economy made it a less contentious topic.
But when the economy stagnates and life gets harder, people get meaner. That's just human nature. And the economy has been stagnating for the working class for well over a decadeand then practically collapsing ever since 2008.
So who does the WWC take out its anger on? Largely, the answer is the poor. In particular, the undeserving poor. Liberals may hate this distinction, but it doesn't matter if we hate it. Lots of ordinary people make this distinction as a matter of simple common sense, and the WWC makes it more than any. That's because they're closer to it. For them, the poor aren't merely a set of statistics or a cause to be championed. They're the folks next door who don't do a lick of work but somehow keep getting government checks paid for by their tax dollars. For a lot of members of the WWC, this is personal in a way it just isn't for the kind of people who read this blog.
Also read: What If Everything You Knew About Poverty Was Wrong?"
But if that's the case, why does the WWC continue to loathe Democrats so badly? I think the answer is as old as the discussion itself: They hate welfare. There was a hope among some Democrats that Bill Clinton's 1996 welfare reform would remove this millstone from around Democrats' necks, and for a few years during the dotcom boom it probably did. The combination of tougher work rules and a booming economy made it a less contentious topic.
But when the economy stagnates and life gets harder, people get meaner. That's just human nature. And the economy has been stagnating for the working class for well over a decadeand then practically collapsing ever since 2008.
So who does the WWC take out its anger on? Largely, the answer is the poor. In particular, the undeserving poor. Liberals may hate this distinction, but it doesn't matter if we hate it. Lots of ordinary people make this distinction as a matter of simple common sense, and the WWC makes it more than any. That's because they're closer to it. For them, the poor aren't merely a set of statistics or a cause to be championed. They're the folks next door who don't do a lick of work but somehow keep getting government checks paid for by their tax dollars. For a lot of members of the WWC, this is personal in a way it just isn't for the kind of people who read this blog.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/11/can-we-talk-heres-why-white-working-class-hates-democrats
Here is an round-table type article that could have come out of Senators Sanders campaign playbook:
Take that crutch away and the electoral arithmetic becomes so dire that GOP strategy will have to change simply to remain competitive. True, a more moderate and reasonable Republican party would attract more voters who now vote Democratic, but overall it would be a plus for progressive governance by improving the climate for legislation that actually addresses social problems.
Is there reasonable hope that such a coalition can be formed? We believe there is.
Start with the evolution of the white working class itself. Over time, we expect that generational change will make the white working class more liberal and open to progressive agendas. This will occur as white working-class Millennials gradually take the place of generally more conservative white working-class Baby Boomers and older Americans.
Democrats generally receive greater support among Millennial white working-class voters than among older white working-class voters. This gap peaked in 2008 when Obamas margin was 30 points better among 18-29 year old white working class Millennial voters than among their older counterparts.
This generation gap is partially explained by the fact that white working class Millennials are substantially more liberal on social issues. For example, in the 2012 National Election Study, 54 percent of white working class Millennials thought gay and lesbian couples should be allowed to legally marry, compared to just 34 percent of older white working class cohorts. They are also more likely than older cohorts to be secular in religious orientation, another indicator of liberalism. In the 2012 Democracy Corps post-election survey, 33 percent of white working class Millennials reported no religious affiliation
compared to 14 percent of their older counterparts.
http://thedemocraticstrategist-roundtables.com/?page_id=60
Millennials once again, as welcome as they are to the Democratic Party, and politics in general, as exciting as it is to see them engaged, are being told that the Democratic Party is corrupt. Past its due date so to speak, they are told with no historical context, the assumption being that current economic and social ills are the fault of Democrats rather than an obstructionist Republican Party, told these things by downplaying the dangers of a struggling Republican Party--which can be compared to an alligator caught in coyote trap. It's a very dangerous road to travel politically, and this is WHY we end up with a monstrosity like George W. Bush. The republicans sold their soul to The Tea Party, which garnered them a whole lot of nutjobs in congress, but subjected the party to stress lines of fracture--which is why you have a potential President Trump. They will do anything to recover momentum, and I, for one want to see true progressive change, not the backlash of Republican congressional majorities.
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*AA GROUP* Ever notice how, in the discussions re: the "1%" vs. the "99%" [View all]
YoungDemCA
May 2016
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So instead of doing as you're asked, you come back and with even more insanity than what you posted
Number23
May 2016
#19
Yes, Hillary threatening/alluding/openly paying to have Obama assassinated is why Sanders can't win
Number23
May 2016
#43
"People of color rarely have better friends than the Clintons" I don't know anyone who agrees with
Number23
May 2016
#16
At the risk of being That Guy With Charts, here are some data backing this up:
Recursion
May 2016
#2
There is a tiny group of men on here who, when pressed, will admit that
Starry Messenger
May 2016
#37
And the worst thing about it is that they claim to be More-Progressive-Than-Thou
YoungDemCA
May 2016
#42
the 0.1% is who cooks up divisions to keep us, uh, divided: is this suddenly a controversy?
MisterP
May 2016
#5
Remind me of which segment of the working class votes Republican in significant numbers
YoungDemCA
May 2016
#7
"sexism and racism are used to make the 99% become enforcers against the rest of the 99%"
Number23
May 2016
#17
The bat signal went out: "White male workers are not being given primacy! Attack!
Squinch
May 2016
#22
You got that right. And what's so stupid is that these people seem absolutely DETERMINED
Number23
May 2016
#44
But it's not just GDP. It's everywhere. The folks that come in drop NUMEROUS turds and then run off
Number23
May 2016
#48