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22. Good question - There are examples of carve outs in several papers - also a European group is trying

to do something similar to protect their public services from attacks under the three pending trade deals let me give you links to all this..


This is actually a question that experts should answer- One person who is extremely knowledgeable on these things is Scott Sinclair of the Canada NGO http://PolicyAlternatives.ca Also, their publication Putting Health First talks about carve outs..in its suggestions at the end- they are for Canada but since we are talking about emulating candian single payer those carve outs should be more applicable now- We have to keep our ability to determine our own healthcare system AND PAYMENT open. Assuming we did that then we may still have need for foreign providers. I actually think we could figure out a really great win win situation for all concerned IF the system could be run by doctors and be freed of the free trade ideology baggage. Its all based on competition policy which is all wrong, it gets a lot of things very wrong.

Competition policy is the reason Obamacare is broken. Let me find some quick links on that- not such great links but - You coud probably do as well or better with Google..

http://www.twn.my/title/welf-cn.htm

"Competition Policy" as pushed by WTO, and other so called global governance institutions (and the US) is just corporate welfare for transnational corporations"
Its important to keep in mind that US trade policy is heavily skewed towards creating noew, previously non-existent, unnaturally wrong "property rights" in policy that promotes their interests and their interests only. I really do not sell Hillary changing this- how would she or could she- ? She is just a cog in a much bigger machine-

Sorry this is so disorganized- thank you for asking me this question-

There are a lot of NGOs- some arebetter than others-

If you want to learn a lot, fast watch videos- A person who is really knowledgeable who has done a lot of videos on FTAs especially the ones most crucial in this area is Sanya Reid Smith of the Third World network, in Malaysia, TWN.my

Another good person to ask might be Prof. Jane Kelsey of the University of New Zealand

These three links, a bit below may be helpful- They offer some of an idea of what people in Europe are proposing but our situation here is different, also its important to note that carve outs dont occur in national legislation, they are incorporated into the trade agreements (in their schedules?)- they have to be part of the agreements and they have to go in at the beginning. because the agreements all use similar definitions, for example, the big definition at GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c) is used in all three pending FTAS- what would make the most sense is to create a standard carve out - replacing that definition- basically saying that we reserved the right to exclude foreign firms from the health insurance and reserved the right to make changes of any kind whatsoever in health care and all forms of education.

That businesses could be put on notice that state owned enterprises were as likely as not to be in our immediate future- also that the health of our people and availability of drugs and critical medicines was more important than maximizing the value in the supply chain.

that that applied across all health related service sectors- we should make similar reservations for water and education- and There needs to be a national discussion on where we are now and where we need to go that we have never had- It needs to be honest about whats happening with jobs- they are vanishing to automation- thats the consensus- we're in a new kind of change we've never seen before-

This then raises the question, what about the developing world who was expecting this "opening up", we cannot just leave them with nothing, I think we need a national dialogue which happens from a very different place than the pace we are today. We need to have honesty- why did they hide this all?

I think we should try to figure out a way for people in different countries to trade places - build it into our society, so that people from other pats of the world get some experience here and we get some experience there living their lives and walking a mile in their shoes. This is what we need to survive climate change- when somebody dies in India because their well ran dry because of climate change, we should see that that could be us.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+COMPARL+PE-567.814+01+DOC+PDF+V0//EN
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+AMD+A8-2015-0175+028-042+DOC+PDF+V0//EN
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+AMD+A8-2016-0009+002-008+DOC+PDF+V0//EN

I am not including the ones in my sig because that might result in this post not being visible- I dont know.. Look at the text in URL# 3 of the GATS Article I:3 - the definition of scope. Thats where I would start. ASK EXPERTS- not me-