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heaven05

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79. you still missed the context

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:19 AM

Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:22 AM - Edit history (2)

you were privileged to have parents that chose to not 'beat' you and pursue a more humane path of discipline. Yet in the AA community what the OP poster is saying is true and maybe even relevant for younger black children, males in particular, today, yesterday and forever, given the executions of them going on in the streets of amerikkka, now, yesterday and forever, at the hands of state the sanctioned murderers. "Spare the rod, spoil the child", has some truth to it. My three when acting up, got swats on their butts and it was with enough 'love' that they knew I meant business. Me? I suffered some pretty horrendous whoopings, bleeding and all and that made me realize, as a parent myself, that there is a thin line between discipline and abuse. Learning not to cross that line makes all the difference in a child's upbringing. Just my take.

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To condemn Adrian Peterson without considering racial context ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 OP

I disagree, but you can just assume I am priviledged if you want hollysmom Sep 2014 #1

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #4

I had not thought of those reasons until I read what you said in the OP randys1 Sep 2014 #22

But I want to be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #23

(Gently) -1SBM, a whooping leaves welts, not "whelps". kath Sep 2014 #68

So true ... So true! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #72

You probably learned "whelp" for it growing up, and you probably still hear it tblue37 Sep 2014 #86

Actually, I think "whelp" has become a dialect variation of "welt." The first time I saw it, tblue37 Sep 2014 #85

Being black and from the Deep South myself, I have to defend my friend 1SBM Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #107

Understood, I am however on record as saying I think a parent never needs to hit randys1 Sep 2014 #91

Violence argument aside ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #92

you still missed the context heaven05 Sep 2014 #79

I understand that. I don't know if that really works or hollysmom Sep 2014 #90

very well written article heaven05 Sep 2014 #98

You don't think this sounds excessive? Wait Wut Sep 2014 #2

if this was done to an adult it would be a major crime, not '"abuse" nt msongs Sep 2014 #5

Exactly. Wait Wut Sep 2014 #6

You got it. LiberalFighter Sep 2014 #10

Abuse of any kind is wrong in any culture. Dawgs Sep 2014 #3

Explaining the historical context isn't really the same thing as defending gollygee Sep 2014 #48

I didn't say he defended it. n/t Dawgs Sep 2014 #75

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #93

There were a lot of callers, black men from the south, on sports talk radio that were defending it. Dawgs Sep 2014 #96

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #100

well heaven05 Sep 2014 #82

Thanks for your response gollygee Sep 2014 #89

This is a very interesting point of view, and courageous of you to raise this issue. enough Sep 2014 #7

To be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12

I tipped because it is always best to understand the context from which Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #14

The first thing I thought about when I read about the abuse was this long history of systematic Tumbulu Sep 2014 #24

Thank you for attempting to understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #25

Well, you did a beautiful job of writing these posts in a way that encourages Tumbulu Sep 2014 #29

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #30

Is condemnation of Ray Rice without racial context similarly privileged? n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #8

No. There is no historical context to an adult hitting another adult. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #13

"Historical context"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #17

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #20

We are all aware that this culture NOLALady Sep 2014 #76

yes there is. it was called slavery. elehhhhna Sep 2014 #18

One of the problems gaspee Sep 2014 #9

I would agree that would be a major pitfall of that type of discipline. LiberalFighter Sep 2014 #11

Not just physical. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #16

One problem with taking race into consideration TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #15

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #19

My father used to have to get his switch JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #21

Has this also come down from slavery? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #26

Are you sincere in your questions? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #27

Yes I am sincere. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #32

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #33

Didn't I already say that with respect to beating black people? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #49

This makes it worse Kalidurga Sep 2014 #28

When my grandson and I heard about this we both mentioned how this did not sound like the jwirr Sep 2014 #35

Yep, but the rest of us as in society as a whole Kalidurga Sep 2014 #36

If he is the man we saw here in MN then he should stand up and do what he can to stop this type of jwirr Sep 2014 #37

I just read in another thread there is another allegation Kalidurga Sep 2014 #38

If he does not change he is missing a real opportunity to do something about the bad situations. jwirr Sep 2014 #39

Totally agree Kalidurga Sep 2014 #40

Exactly. jwirr Sep 2014 #53

Thank you. You are right about the abuse being for different reasons. I hear what you are saying jwirr Sep 2014 #31

Strong, I cannot stand with you here DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #34

+1. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #41

And thankfully, we have the luxury of NOT having to teach the lessons ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #43

Do you not see a difference between ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #42

The problem is, "whooping" kids does not prevent them from doing anything. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #45

I'm with you. amandabeech Sep 2014 #55

Okay; but generations of my family history says differently. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #58

As someone with family members also have had problems with cops DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #47

Very interesting. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Sep 2014 #46

I'm glad you posted this. I got to cut my own fair share of switches back in the day Number23 Sep 2014 #50

yeah, pregnant smokers are JUST LIKE toddler beating steriod loaded elehhhhna Sep 2014 #56

See what I mean, folks? Number23 Sep 2014 #57

Pregnant smokers might inflict more long-term damage. kwassa Sep 2014 #66

typical heaven05 Sep 2014 #99

I'm in my 50s and corporal punishment was used Ilsa Sep 2014 #51

Thank you for adding an angle to it that I personally hadn't considered. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #52

As I mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #61

My parents ran down the sidewalk with a bamboo switch. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #54

I feel you and love you. But with this incident in the AA Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #59

I agree with everything you've written ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #62

I respect your truth, Brother, and I am thankful that whatever the means... Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #65

Would you repeat that phrase ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #71

Lovely post. Thanks for that. Number23 Sep 2014 #64

White Americans have not abandoned corporal punishment. 75% still approve .. kwassa Sep 2014 #67

I stand corrected. And in fact I am not surprised. Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #70

Son, I'm gonna whup you to protect you from those vicious white racists tularetom Sep 2014 #60

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #63

He said he DOES NOT (NOT, NOT, NOT) believe that the way to raise a child tblue37 Sep 2014 #69

Thank you for reading what I have actually written. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #73

Thank You for the post. NOLALady Sep 2014 #77

LOL, that's the most condescending response to a post I've ever received tularetom Sep 2014 #74

Speaking of hitting a sore spot and acting like a 10 year old ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #78

Should Mr Peterson be charged with a crime for what he did? tularetom Sep 2014 #80

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #81

1SBM, I seldom bother to argue with someone who seems determined *not* to understand what I am tblue37 Sep 2014 #84

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #88

No. That is why the black parents *in the past* thought they had to tblue37 Sep 2014 #83

Frustration explains a lot of it tularetom Sep 2014 #87

So you completely discount my explanation that provides historical contextual ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #94

First of all I am not minimizing your personal experience tularetom Sep 2014 #95

right heaven05 Sep 2014 #104

nothing condescending in that response heaven05 Sep 2014 #101

"Approval vs. understanding, excusing vs. explaining, it's a pretty fine distinction." DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #112

I very much appreciate you providing some context for this situation. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2014 #97

I guess you are one of the few ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #103

Yeah, you're taking a lot of crap in this thread and it seems mainly due to Sheldon Cooper Sep 2014 #106

cuts into the skin is abuse. Simple as that. riversedge Sep 2014 #102

That completely misses everything I have written, and ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #105

Wrong is wrong, regardless of color YarnAddict Sep 2014 #108

I have never said that what AP did wasn't wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #109

I can understand your frustration with the responses you've been getting YarnAddict Sep 2014 #111

I can think of two things ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #113

In that case, YarnAddict Sep 2014 #114

No! I can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #115

The problem with privilege YarnAddict Sep 2014 #116

But take heart ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #117

And where did they learn it? tblue Sep 2014 #110

observations of a white member of a mixed family carolinayellowdog Sep 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Sep 2014 #119