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1StrongBlackMan

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113. I can think of two things ...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:22 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:20 PM - Edit history (1)


It saddens me that now, in 2014, we haven't moved to a place where race doesn't matter. I truly wonder when that will happen. What has to happen before we get to that point?? Not a rhetorical question. I really want to know.


The complete "Browning of America" ... but then, we will find some other arbitrary trait to divide us.

The second, and I hesitate to mention this, based on the reaction found here ... is found in your first comment:

It is so hard for anyone who hasn't walked a mile in your shoes to fully appreciate what you're saying.


That is to say, race will no longer matter when white people recognize, understand and internal that their experience in these United States is NOT the experience of others ... and once accomplished, operationalize that enlightenment by stopping denying/minimizing others' truth.

Meanwhile, what do you think should happen with Adrian Peterson and the Vikings?


I would like to see AP convicted of child abuse and sentenced to 3-5 years probation with the condition that he complete a court (and child advocacy group) approved parenting education and anger management counseling.

With regard to the Vikings ... I really have a very big problem with the calls for empowering private employers to govern the non-job related conduct of its employees, even in the case of extreme, socially unacceptable conduct. It legitimizes stuff like Hobby Lobby and other corporate invasions into its employees' privacy.

ETA: A law school Constitutional Law class fact-pattern, as best I can remember it, might demonstrate my objection/concern:

"A" is employed with "B" Corporation. "B" suspects that "A" is selling propriety trade-secrets owned by "B." As a result, "B" orders its security staff to spy on "A" ... they tap his work phones, they follow him whenever he leaves the office, including to his home, to see whom he meets with, they stake out his house, just in case he leaves/has guests in the middle of the night.

After this proves fruitless, "B" orders its Security staff to get more aggressive ... so, one day, the security staff decides to break into "A"s home to conduct a search. Because of their relationship, they have local law enforcement tag along, just in case they find evidence of the theft. The police were to remain outside of the house, during the search; but would be called if evidence was found.

Unbeknownst to the security staff, "A" had called in sick and was at home when they arrived. As they were breaking in, "A" grabs a lamp to defend himself from the intruders. "A" hides behind a door, and clocks one of the security staff over the head and he is promptly subdued and handcuffed by the rest of the security team. The security staff proceeds to search the house, trashing it in the process.

After several hours, the security team finds the evidence that they were looking for ... they also uncover that "A" operated a small-scale marijuana sales operation.

The security staff opens the door and calls out to the police that they found what they were looking for and tell them about the marijuana. As the security team is walking "A" out of the home, the police officer steps in and arrests "A" for theft of corporate property. "A" is, also, cited and arrested for possession with the intent to distribute.

The following day, "A" is fired for theft and violating the companies drug policy.

You are called in to consult with "A's" Tax Attorney (whose practice is limited to Tax Law). What action(s), if any, would you recommend be pursued?

The short answer is the vast majority of what occurred is NOT a violation of the 4th Amendment, as the constitution only applies to the police officer's conduct. While there ARE constitutional issues with the drug charges; the conduct of "B" corporation is not violative of the constitution. There WOULD be civil claims and, likely, criminal claims; but, "A" could still be fired for the theft AND the violation of the company's drug policy.

I don't want my employer to have that much authority over my private conduct, even if it includes selling drugs.

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I disagree, but you can just assume I am priviledged if you want hollysmom Sep 2014 #1
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #4
I had not thought of those reasons until I read what you said in the OP randys1 Sep 2014 #22
But I want to be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #23
(Gently) -1SBM, a whooping leaves welts, not "whelps". kath Sep 2014 #68
So true ... So true! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #72
You probably learned "whelp" for it growing up, and you probably still hear it tblue37 Sep 2014 #86
Actually, I think "whelp" has become a dialect variation of "welt." The first time I saw it, tblue37 Sep 2014 #85
Being black and from the Deep South myself, I have to defend my friend 1SBM Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2014 #107
Understood, I am however on record as saying I think a parent never needs to hit randys1 Sep 2014 #91
Violence argument aside ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #92
you still missed the context heaven05 Sep 2014 #79
I understand that. I don't know if that really works or hollysmom Sep 2014 #90
very well written article heaven05 Sep 2014 #98
You don't think this sounds excessive? Wait Wut Sep 2014 #2
if this was done to an adult it would be a major crime, not '"abuse" nt msongs Sep 2014 #5
Exactly. Wait Wut Sep 2014 #6
You got it. LiberalFighter Sep 2014 #10
Abuse of any kind is wrong in any culture. Dawgs Sep 2014 #3
Explaining the historical context isn't really the same thing as defending gollygee Sep 2014 #48
I didn't say he defended it. n/t Dawgs Sep 2014 #75
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #93
There were a lot of callers, black men from the south, on sports talk radio that were defending it. Dawgs Sep 2014 #96
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #100
well heaven05 Sep 2014 #82
Thanks for your response gollygee Sep 2014 #89
This is a very interesting point of view, and courageous of you to raise this issue. enough Sep 2014 #7
To be honest ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #12
I tipped because it is always best to understand the context from which Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #14
The first thing I thought about when I read about the abuse was this long history of systematic Tumbulu Sep 2014 #24
Thank you for attempting to understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #25
Well, you did a beautiful job of writing these posts in a way that encourages Tumbulu Sep 2014 #29
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #30
Is condemnation of Ray Rice without racial context similarly privileged? n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #8
No. There is no historical context to an adult hitting another adult. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #13
"Historical context"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2014 #17
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #20
We are all aware that this culture NOLALady Sep 2014 #76
yes there is. it was called slavery. elehhhhna Sep 2014 #18
One of the problems gaspee Sep 2014 #9
I would agree that would be a major pitfall of that type of discipline. LiberalFighter Sep 2014 #11
Not just physical. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #16
One problem with taking race into consideration TexasProgresive Sep 2014 #15
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #19
My father used to have to get his switch JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #21
Has this also come down from slavery? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #26
Are you sincere in your questions? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #27
Yes I am sincere. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #32
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #33
Didn't I already say that with respect to beating black people? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #49
This makes it worse Kalidurga Sep 2014 #28
When my grandson and I heard about this we both mentioned how this did not sound like the jwirr Sep 2014 #35
Yep, but the rest of us as in society as a whole Kalidurga Sep 2014 #36
If he is the man we saw here in MN then he should stand up and do what he can to stop this type of jwirr Sep 2014 #37
I just read in another thread there is another allegation Kalidurga Sep 2014 #38
If he does not change he is missing a real opportunity to do something about the bad situations. jwirr Sep 2014 #39
Totally agree Kalidurga Sep 2014 #40
Exactly. jwirr Sep 2014 #53
Thank you. You are right about the abuse being for different reasons. I hear what you are saying jwirr Sep 2014 #31
Strong, I cannot stand with you here DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #34
+1. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #41
And thankfully, we have the luxury of NOT having to teach the lessons ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #43
Do you not see a difference between ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #42
The problem is, "whooping" kids does not prevent them from doing anything. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #45
I'm with you. amandabeech Sep 2014 #55
Okay; but generations of my family history says differently. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #58
As someone with family members also have had problems with cops DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #47
Very interesting. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Sep 2014 #46
I'm glad you posted this. I got to cut my own fair share of switches back in the day Number23 Sep 2014 #50
yeah, pregnant smokers are JUST LIKE toddler beating steriod loaded elehhhhna Sep 2014 #56
See what I mean, folks? Number23 Sep 2014 #57
Pregnant smokers might inflict more long-term damage. kwassa Sep 2014 #66
typical heaven05 Sep 2014 #99
I'm in my 50s and corporal punishment was used Ilsa Sep 2014 #51
Thank you for adding an angle to it that I personally hadn't considered. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #52
As I mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #61
My parents ran down the sidewalk with a bamboo switch. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #54
I feel you and love you. But with this incident in the AA Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #59
I agree with everything you've written ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #62
I respect your truth, Brother, and I am thankful that whatever the means... Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #65
Would you repeat that phrase ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #71
Lovely post. Thanks for that. Number23 Sep 2014 #64
White Americans have not abandoned corporal punishment. 75% still approve .. kwassa Sep 2014 #67
I stand corrected. And in fact I am not surprised. Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #70
Son, I'm gonna whup you to protect you from those vicious white racists tularetom Sep 2014 #60
Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #63
He said he DOES NOT (NOT, NOT, NOT) believe that the way to raise a child tblue37 Sep 2014 #69
Thank you for reading what I have actually written. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #73
Thank You for the post. NOLALady Sep 2014 #77
LOL, that's the most condescending response to a post I've ever received tularetom Sep 2014 #74
Speaking of hitting a sore spot and acting like a 10 year old ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #78
Should Mr Peterson be charged with a crime for what he did? tularetom Sep 2014 #80
I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #81
1SBM, I seldom bother to argue with someone who seems determined *not* to understand what I am tblue37 Sep 2014 #84
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #88
No. That is why the black parents *in the past* thought they had to tblue37 Sep 2014 #83
Frustration explains a lot of it tularetom Sep 2014 #87
So you completely discount my explanation that provides historical contextual ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #94
First of all I am not minimizing your personal experience tularetom Sep 2014 #95
right heaven05 Sep 2014 #104
nothing condescending in that response heaven05 Sep 2014 #101
"Approval vs. understanding, excusing vs. explaining, it's a pretty fine distinction." DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #112
I very much appreciate you providing some context for this situation. Sheldon Cooper Sep 2014 #97
I guess you are one of the few ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #103
Yeah, you're taking a lot of crap in this thread and it seems mainly due to Sheldon Cooper Sep 2014 #106
cuts into the skin is abuse. Simple as that. riversedge Sep 2014 #102
That completely misses everything I have written, and ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #105
Wrong is wrong, regardless of color YarnAddict Sep 2014 #108
I have never said that what AP did wasn't wrong ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #109
I can understand your frustration with the responses you've been getting YarnAddict Sep 2014 #111
I can think of two things ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #113
In that case, YarnAddict Sep 2014 #114
No! I can't ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #115
The problem with privilege YarnAddict Sep 2014 #116
But take heart ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #117
And where did they learn it? tblue Sep 2014 #110
observations of a white member of a mixed family carolinayellowdog Sep 2014 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Sep 2014 #119
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