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cyclonefence

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13. Were the ballet dancers kept by these men?
Sun Feb 28, 2021, 04:16 PM
Feb 2021

I wonder, if the can-can dancers of the same period were "naughty girls" for showing their underpants when they danced, were ballet dancers who sort of showed *their* underwear when they danced, just as naughty? Did they have reputations as, well, prostitutes? I mean, when you think of how covered up regular women of the time were, even in the summertime, the garb of the dancers Degas painted must surely have been shocking. I wonder if the ballet were a high-class entertainment back then the way it is now? I bet it wasn't.

I'm really glad you posed your question--you've given me a project of my own, and that's important in these awful times! Thanks.

Edited to add: https://www.history.com/news/sexual-exploitation-was-the-norm-for-19th-century-ballerinas

I didn't know that about Degas. Ocelot II Feb 2021 #1
The thing is that I love Degas work (I don't love Wagner's music). CTyankee Feb 2021 #5
I do like Wagner's music (I'm listening to "Das Rheingold" right now), Ocelot II Feb 2021 #6
But didn't the Nazis glorify Wagner very loudly and publicly? CTyankee Feb 2021 #10
They did, but that doesn't make his music less valuable; Ocelot II Feb 2021 #12
I think you conveyed the dichotomy (the beauty of his talent and the ugliness SeeingEyeRefugee Nov 2021 #22
I think it's easy to forget or ignore the deep vein of anti-Semitism cyclonefence Feb 2021 #2
I believe one source referenced the Dreyfus Affair, which evidently is when Degas was CTyankee Feb 2021 #7
Were the ballet dancers kept by these men? cyclonefence Feb 2021 #13
I am guessing that these girls were sexually exploited. CTyankee Feb 2021 #15
I agree cyclonefence Feb 2021 #18
Sadly, yes. CTyankee Mar 2021 #19
I think I'd skip it Bayard Feb 2021 #3
I don't think Michelangelo being gay would be an issue. Overlooking predation on young girls is CTyankee Feb 2021 #9
Not advice, but I read this recently about Degas: Gaugamela Feb 2021 #4
Yes, I have that source. He did paint their pain and exhaustion. And you see in his sculpture, The CTyankee Feb 2021 #8
It's no secret that artists tend to be eccentric misfits. It seems Degas' work may be closer to Gaugamela Feb 2021 #11
well, for one thing, Degas did not want to paint outdoors and said so. CTyankee Feb 2021 #14
I wish you well on your book. Sounds like a labor of love. Gaugamela Feb 2021 #16
It is. I'm old now but I love art history. working on this book keeps my mind from turning into CTyankee Feb 2021 #17
You might look at how the recent controversies over Gaughan are being Mike 03 Mar 2021 #20
I'm not that interested in Gauguin, to be honest. But I am not surprised at this discovery. CTyankee Mar 2021 #21
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