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trotsky

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18. I wish I could say this discussion is all about learning from each other.

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:45 AM

Nov 2013

But it appears far too many people take this topic as an opportunity to proclaim themselves far more tolerant than, and therefore superior to, anyone holding a contrary opinion.

In other words, it's time for this again:

http://xkcd.com/774/

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Raising the Bar on the Conversation About Religion [View all] cbayer Nov 2013 OP

No wonder you liked this. trotsky Nov 2013 #1

I'd swap the critical explanations of the first two muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #2

They are listed as hyperbole and both are pretty dogmatic. cbayer Nov 2013 #4

As one commenter on the original article notes, trotsky Nov 2013 #6

The idea of a Hegelian dialectic is interesting. Jim__ Nov 2013 #3

Interesting take on this, Jim. cbayer Nov 2013 #5

Yes, recognizing that we are all trying to understand. Jim__ Nov 2013 #7

Wonderful advice and difficult to follow. cbayer Nov 2013 #8

"leaving many to believe that one must be absolutely right, and the other absolutely wrong" pinto Nov 2013 #9

Yes, recognizing the differences in POV and experience is cbayer Nov 2013 #10

I've read about expanding those filters as a piece of better understanding. A little less conflict. pinto Nov 2013 #11

Thanks. Will definitely read that later. cbayer Nov 2013 #12

I've seen it. And agree, they were all correct in their experiences, in context. Good film. pinto Nov 2013 #13

Is Fred Phelps correct? trotsky Nov 2013 #16

In their perceptions, I assume they feel they are. Or they're simply opportunistic charlatans. pinto Nov 2013 #30

You didn't answer my question. trotsky Nov 2013 #34

In their perceptions, I assume they feel they are. pinto Nov 2013 #35

Repeating your non-answer doesn't make it an answer. trotsky Nov 2013 #36

In my personal opinion, no. pinto Nov 2013 #38

Well then, what is the response to someone like Phelps? trotsky Nov 2013 #39

I don't accept his viewpoint. I recognize it for what I think we all recognize - it's extremist. pinto Nov 2013 #40

Phelps doesn't think he's an extremist, so therefore he isn't. trotsky Nov 2013 #41

Trotsky, I answered. No, he's not. pinto Nov 2013 #42

Still unanswered. trotsky Nov 2013 #43

We have the legal mechanisms, we have the understanding and the support of most Americans. pinto Nov 2013 #44

Yeah, you did just say to forget about him, sit back and wait. trotsky Nov 2013 #50

I think each one sees it through their insecurities. Goblinmonger Nov 2013 #17

I wish I could say this discussion is all about learning from each other. trotsky Nov 2013 #18

People address insecurities in numerous ways. Security for me is being grounded yet aware pinto Nov 2013 #33

Notice he doesn't actually answer question #1. He answers a different question each time. dimbear Nov 2013 #14

It seems you missed the point entirely, dimbear. cbayer Nov 2013 #19

Did it occur to you that dimbear was making a joke? trotsky Nov 2013 #20

So, wait, Goblinmonger Nov 2013 #21

Some opinions are more equal than others. n/t trotsky Nov 2013 #23

A good and useful example to see the justice of my remark is this: what is the purpose of IHOP? dimbear Nov 2013 #48

My personal faith is this; hrmjustin Nov 2013 #15

Lipstick on a tone troll, if you will Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #22

BPotT trotsky Nov 2013 #24

Actually, as much as I dislike most of Huffpo, I think their Religion section cbayer Nov 2013 #25

My Koresh, it is just jaw-dropping how little you've thought this through, cbayer. trotsky Nov 2013 #37

You're setting your sights too low on this one Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #45

You make many assumptions about me that are not rooted in any evidence cbayer Nov 2013 #46

I did no such thing. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #47

The assumptions made about you come from the years of posts and interactions with you right here. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #52

It is very telling that you don't address any of the points made, trotsky Nov 2013 #54

Why do you keep bringing up discussion in this group as "teams"? Heddi Nov 2013 #61

What time's the lynching? pinto Nov 2013 #62

I quote you when I say "Come on pinto, no one here on DU is lynching cbayer. Step back a bit. Heddi Nov 2013 #66

LOL. I said - pinto Nov 2013 #67

LOL trotsky Nov 2013 #68

Good point and I will. All here can speak for themselves. pinto Nov 2013 #69

It's a page out of the Republican/FAUX playbook, and it's pathetic to see it here. trotsky Nov 2013 #70

+1000000000000000. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #53

Imagine if everyone actually accepted no one is in the position to claim that they hold the truth muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #64

Right on. Great post n/t Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #72

Well put as usual, m_v. n/t trotsky Nov 2013 #73

What an interesting way to think about this. cbayer Nov 2013 #74

My point is that if nearly everyone agrees they can't know about a subject, they drop it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #77

Then you need a different example than String Theory. cbayer Nov 2013 #78

I'm using string theory to show that people who say "we can't know about this" stop talking about it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #79

But you love to talk about it, don't you? cbayer Nov 2013 #81

I talk about the effect religions, and religious beliefs, have upon society muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #82

That's what most people here talk about. cbayer Nov 2013 #83

We see an awful lot of "there is a god" in the USA muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #84

So what? cbayer Nov 2013 #85

What's there to understand, cbayer? trotsky Nov 2013 #80

Best. Post. Ever. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #87

I feel I should point out we DID meet the Republicans half-way on Obamacare. immoderate Nov 2013 #26

It could be true agnosticism or apatheism, but I don't think that's his point. cbayer Nov 2013 #27

I can be civil, and work with anybody (if they are.) immoderate Nov 2013 #28

Again, I don't think he is suggesting a compromise position cbayer Nov 2013 #29

That puts validity up against reality. immoderate Nov 2013 #31

Only if you take the position that only atheism represent reality. cbayer Nov 2013 #32

But that seems like judging religious beliefs on how nice they seem to you, not how real they are muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #65

I don't disagree with that. cbayer Nov 2013 #75

Just one point... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #49

We aren't allowed to ask those questions. trotsky Nov 2013 #51

"Extremist Atheists" Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #55

Come on trotsky, no one here on DU is equating you with Phelps. Step back a bit. It's a discussion, pinto Nov 2013 #56

Oh, I'm pretty sure there are some who would beg to differ. trotsky Nov 2013 #58

I someone answers thusly: cbayer Nov 2013 #57

Hmm... Yes without evidence any theory is hypothetical... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #59

I agree about the futility in trying to resolve the fundamental questions, but cbayer Nov 2013 #60

To some extent... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #71

I think we totally agree. cbayer Nov 2013 #76

The purpose of Scientology is remarkably well documented. Use imagination for other religions: dimbear Nov 2013 #63

interesting gopiscrap Nov 2013 #86