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trotsky

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24. BPotT

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:22 PM

Nov 2013

Best Post of the Thread.

And what about the woman who comes along and says "you guys are both wrong, 2+2=4 and I am certain of it!" - do we criticize her as a rigid fundamentalist who needs to listen to the music of the other guys so she can better appreciate their truth?

It's funny going back and reading more of the comments posted at HuffPo - much like here in this group, anyone who has an opinion other than "This is wonderful and splendiferous!" is ignored and dismissed as "angry" or a sign of the problem.

So much for wanting to listen to everyone's POV. Hollow, meaningless pablum.

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Raising the Bar on the Conversation About Religion [View all] cbayer Nov 2013 OP

No wonder you liked this. trotsky Nov 2013 #1

I'd swap the critical explanations of the first two muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #2

They are listed as hyperbole and both are pretty dogmatic. cbayer Nov 2013 #4

As one commenter on the original article notes, trotsky Nov 2013 #6

The idea of a Hegelian dialectic is interesting. Jim__ Nov 2013 #3

Interesting take on this, Jim. cbayer Nov 2013 #5

Yes, recognizing that we are all trying to understand. Jim__ Nov 2013 #7

Wonderful advice and difficult to follow. cbayer Nov 2013 #8

"leaving many to believe that one must be absolutely right, and the other absolutely wrong" pinto Nov 2013 #9

Yes, recognizing the differences in POV and experience is cbayer Nov 2013 #10

I've read about expanding those filters as a piece of better understanding. A little less conflict. pinto Nov 2013 #11

Thanks. Will definitely read that later. cbayer Nov 2013 #12

I've seen it. And agree, they were all correct in their experiences, in context. Good film. pinto Nov 2013 #13

Is Fred Phelps correct? trotsky Nov 2013 #16

In their perceptions, I assume they feel they are. Or they're simply opportunistic charlatans. pinto Nov 2013 #30

You didn't answer my question. trotsky Nov 2013 #34

In their perceptions, I assume they feel they are. pinto Nov 2013 #35

Repeating your non-answer doesn't make it an answer. trotsky Nov 2013 #36

In my personal opinion, no. pinto Nov 2013 #38

Well then, what is the response to someone like Phelps? trotsky Nov 2013 #39

I don't accept his viewpoint. I recognize it for what I think we all recognize - it's extremist. pinto Nov 2013 #40

Phelps doesn't think he's an extremist, so therefore he isn't. trotsky Nov 2013 #41

Trotsky, I answered. No, he's not. pinto Nov 2013 #42

Still unanswered. trotsky Nov 2013 #43

We have the legal mechanisms, we have the understanding and the support of most Americans. pinto Nov 2013 #44

Yeah, you did just say to forget about him, sit back and wait. trotsky Nov 2013 #50

I think each one sees it through their insecurities. Goblinmonger Nov 2013 #17

I wish I could say this discussion is all about learning from each other. trotsky Nov 2013 #18

People address insecurities in numerous ways. Security for me is being grounded yet aware pinto Nov 2013 #33

Notice he doesn't actually answer question #1. He answers a different question each time. dimbear Nov 2013 #14

It seems you missed the point entirely, dimbear. cbayer Nov 2013 #19

Did it occur to you that dimbear was making a joke? trotsky Nov 2013 #20

So, wait, Goblinmonger Nov 2013 #21

Some opinions are more equal than others. n/t trotsky Nov 2013 #23

A good and useful example to see the justice of my remark is this: what is the purpose of IHOP? dimbear Nov 2013 #48

My personal faith is this; hrmjustin Nov 2013 #15

Lipstick on a tone troll, if you will Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #22

BPotT trotsky Nov 2013 #24

Actually, as much as I dislike most of Huffpo, I think their Religion section cbayer Nov 2013 #25

My Koresh, it is just jaw-dropping how little you've thought this through, cbayer. trotsky Nov 2013 #37

You're setting your sights too low on this one Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #45

You make many assumptions about me that are not rooted in any evidence cbayer Nov 2013 #46

I did no such thing. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #47

The assumptions made about you come from the years of posts and interactions with you right here. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #52

It is very telling that you don't address any of the points made, trotsky Nov 2013 #54

Why do you keep bringing up discussion in this group as "teams"? Heddi Nov 2013 #61

What time's the lynching? pinto Nov 2013 #62

I quote you when I say "Come on pinto, no one here on DU is lynching cbayer. Step back a bit. Heddi Nov 2013 #66

LOL. I said - pinto Nov 2013 #67

LOL trotsky Nov 2013 #68

Good point and I will. All here can speak for themselves. pinto Nov 2013 #69

It's a page out of the Republican/FAUX playbook, and it's pathetic to see it here. trotsky Nov 2013 #70

+1000000000000000. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #53

Imagine if everyone actually accepted no one is in the position to claim that they hold the truth muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #64

Right on. Great post n/t Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #72

Well put as usual, m_v. n/t trotsky Nov 2013 #73

What an interesting way to think about this. cbayer Nov 2013 #74

My point is that if nearly everyone agrees they can't know about a subject, they drop it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #77

Then you need a different example than String Theory. cbayer Nov 2013 #78

I'm using string theory to show that people who say "we can't know about this" stop talking about it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #79

But you love to talk about it, don't you? cbayer Nov 2013 #81

I talk about the effect religions, and religious beliefs, have upon society muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #82

That's what most people here talk about. cbayer Nov 2013 #83

We see an awful lot of "there is a god" in the USA muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #84

So what? cbayer Nov 2013 #85

What's there to understand, cbayer? trotsky Nov 2013 #80

Best. Post. Ever. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #87

I feel I should point out we DID meet the Republicans half-way on Obamacare. immoderate Nov 2013 #26

It could be true agnosticism or apatheism, but I don't think that's his point. cbayer Nov 2013 #27

I can be civil, and work with anybody (if they are.) immoderate Nov 2013 #28

Again, I don't think he is suggesting a compromise position cbayer Nov 2013 #29

That puts validity up against reality. immoderate Nov 2013 #31

Only if you take the position that only atheism represent reality. cbayer Nov 2013 #32

But that seems like judging religious beliefs on how nice they seem to you, not how real they are muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #65

I don't disagree with that. cbayer Nov 2013 #75

Just one point... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #49

We aren't allowed to ask those questions. trotsky Nov 2013 #51

"Extremist Atheists" Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #55

Come on trotsky, no one here on DU is equating you with Phelps. Step back a bit. It's a discussion, pinto Nov 2013 #56

Oh, I'm pretty sure there are some who would beg to differ. trotsky Nov 2013 #58

I someone answers thusly: cbayer Nov 2013 #57

Hmm... Yes without evidence any theory is hypothetical... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #59

I agree about the futility in trying to resolve the fundamental questions, but cbayer Nov 2013 #60

To some extent... uriel1972 Nov 2013 #71

I think we totally agree. cbayer Nov 2013 #76

The purpose of Scientology is remarkably well documented. Use imagination for other religions: dimbear Nov 2013 #63

interesting gopiscrap Nov 2013 #86