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cbayer

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27. But that's not what you said.
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:05 PM
Nov 2013

What you said was:

All religions discourage freedom of inquiry


That's quite a leap to:

encourage empirical testing of their own core dogmas


and

"Does the deity we worship really exist, and can that be supported by objective evidence?"


Of course there is not objective evidence supporting the existence of a deity. That's why believers are call believers and faith is called faith.

Inquiry, otoh, is encouraged in many religious institutions.

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I don't know about the world, but General Discussion was better without all the religious material. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #1
Agree. I think the hosts remain divided on the issue. cbayer Nov 2013 #2
I disagree with the assertion that religion is not implicitly oppressive.... mike_c Nov 2013 #3
That's not true. The religion I grew up in encourages inquiry. cbayer Nov 2013 #6
No, it doesn't skepticscott Nov 2013 #19
What cbayer believes or doesn't believe... trotsky Nov 2013 #22
+ Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #60
I grew up in a jewish culture edhopper Nov 2013 #21
"All religions"? okasha Nov 2013 #23
evidently so-- perhaps you could inform me.... mike_c Nov 2013 #24
But that's not what you said. cbayer Nov 2013 #27
of course it is.... mike_c Nov 2013 #29
And several people have told you that they have attended churches that encourage inquiry. cbayer Nov 2013 #35
OK, I think we're mixing apples and oranges here.... mike_c Nov 2013 #37
Exactly what kind of evidence do you want? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #38
first and foremost... mike_c Nov 2013 #39
Who is being persecuted? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #41
Christians have persecuted millions, and continue to do so today.... mike_c Nov 2013 #42
I know my religion's history. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #45
Should an atheist child be allowed to go to a Catholic school and question .... PassingFair Nov 2013 #67
My kids did. cbayer Nov 2013 #68
Were they allowed to question catholic doctrine or make flat statements of their own dis-belief? PassingFair Nov 2013 #70
They had religion classes where they were able to question doctrine cbayer Nov 2013 #72
I am not in favor of expelling kids based on their beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #69
Non-theistic Buddhism. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #46
I suspected that might be the case... mike_c Nov 2013 #53
You keep moving the goalposts. cbayer Nov 2013 #44
I am sorry but my church does not discourage inquiry. I am not oppressed either. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #25
what's your religion? mike_c Nov 2013 #26
Episcopalian/Anglican hrmjustin Nov 2013 #28
in my experience Christianity certainly does NOT encourage inquiry regarding dogma.... mike_c Nov 2013 #32
Meet new Christians. sounds to me you are just making a general statement that is based on some bad hrmjustin Nov 2013 #34
What if you said you don't believe in the Trinity? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #47
no I woul not be shown the door. They know I ddon't think much of the hell idea. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #48
So do you recite a creed you don't believe in? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #50
Did I say I did not believe in the creeds? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #51
Some people state you can believe lots of different things and be christian.At least at DU. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #55
We don't use the term hell but we say descended to the dead. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #56
Two words for you: Marcus Borg Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #65
I know about Spong. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #71
I guess you haven't read their recent writings then Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #74
What if you informed yourself a bit better before posting? okasha Nov 2013 #73
Which issues? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #75
Mike_c, they're evading answering you too. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #84
Let me ask you how this sits with you, MOL. cbayer Nov 2013 #85
I don't know how it sits with MoL but it's hilarious to me. trotsky Nov 2013 #86
Hey Trotsky, Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #87
People can do good things without religion. cbayer Nov 2013 #88
As ususal, you intentionally miss the point. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #89
Some people simply have to turn off skepticscott Nov 2013 #90
So Buddhism is irrational mythology?? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #91
I didn't say that it was (and I do know quite a bit about it). cbayer Nov 2013 #92
WHOOOOSH! cleanhippie Nov 2013 #93
You don't understand English. Tu no comprende ingles. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #94
I understand English perfectly well, thanks. cbayer Nov 2013 #95
That you're being accused of making "personal attacks" skepticscott Nov 2013 #96
She doesn't know the meaning of "mythology". Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #97
Talking about someone instead of to them is also a sure sign that you have lost the debate. cbayer Nov 2013 #104
Ignoring factual points and your own inconsistencies is the surest sign you've lost the debate. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #105
I already addressed my comments to you. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #108
I've told you this repeatedly, and I understand that it doesn't fit your narrative, cbayer Dec 2013 #111
It's not about people. It's about dogma. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #100
Everyone has their own dogma. cbayer Nov 2013 #102
Thinking that having an imaginary friend is stupid is not a dogma. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #106
Not entirely true. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #99
I can officiate a same-sex marriage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #98
But there are many religious and fully ordained people who can officiate cbayer Nov 2013 #103
Weak sauce. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #107
Rev. Frank Schaeffer got suspended. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #109
UU is certainly one of the groups I have no issues with. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #110
IMO the primary purpose of religion is to grant power to the priest class w/ a few exceptions msongs Nov 2013 #4
He appears to be trying to avoid blaming anything on anything muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #5
Great observation. trotsky Nov 2013 #10
"When large religious institutions promote oppressive ideals, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #7
The solution is: Blame God muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #8
How about this fundamental? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #49
Holy shit, Martin Luther was a fucked up man. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #54
Classic black-and-white thinker Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #66
The question that needs to be asked is, trotsky Nov 2013 #9
The world would be a better place without religion. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #11
It's not going anywhere. What did you think of the article? cbayer Nov 2013 #12
Yes it is. Nonexistence is 'somewhere' in the sense of it being a category. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #20
It is going away in the more advanced, educated countries. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #30
There is a positive correlation between poverty and religiosity. cbayer Nov 2013 #36
In the west. We've discussed this before. You have to wish away east asia. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #61
Actually, the data is all over the place for China and difficult to verify, but most cbayer Nov 2013 #63
You know, it's this kind of parting shot: trotsky Nov 2013 #64
Kind of, but not really Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #77
No, actually the correlation is between poverty and religiosity. cbayer Nov 2013 #78
"those most desperate receive comfort and solace in the belief" trotsky Nov 2013 #80
I don't think it says what you think it says Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #81
I don't think we really disagree here. cbayer Nov 2013 #82
Maybe more than you'd think Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #83
When large *** promote oppressive ideals, it is the fault of power-hungry, hateful individuals...... dimbear Nov 2013 #13
It is an astoundingly odd statement. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #62
I recently read a book about this basic premise Promethean Nov 2013 #14
There was a thread started yesterday on this book. cbayer Nov 2013 #15
Actually, as was pointed out to you on another thread, trotsky Nov 2013 #16
"Absolutely positive" falters on either end of the spectrums, imo. pinto Nov 2013 #33
Great, thanks for your opinion. trotsky Nov 2013 #57
You're welcome. pinto Nov 2013 #58
Oh my Promethean Nov 2013 #17
Of course I read what you wrote. I was just giving my own POV on it. cbayer Nov 2013 #18
Even though I'm not religious, CFLDem Nov 2013 #31
Actually, there would be one less reason. xfundy Nov 2013 #40
Never gonna happen. CFLDem Nov 2013 #43
religion has been around for a very long time madrchsod Nov 2013 #52
Measles, polio, and leprosy have been around a long time too. dimbear Nov 2013 #59
Trey Parker's insight on this subject is hilarious and poignant. Laelth Nov 2013 #76
He and Matt Stone also presented an interesting perspective in Book of Mormon. cbayer Nov 2013 #79
It is the ago-old question of beliefs versus religious enterprises BlueStreak Nov 2013 #101
Personal faith is a problem to society in this instance: Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #112
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