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hrmjustin

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28. Episcopalian/Anglican

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Fri Nov 22, 2013, 09:07 PM

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"The World Would Be a Better Place Without Religion" -- A Sentiment Common on College Campuses [View all] cbayer Nov 2013 OP

I don't know about the world, but General Discussion was better without all the religious material. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #1

Agree. I think the hosts remain divided on the issue. cbayer Nov 2013 #2

I disagree with the assertion that religion is not implicitly oppressive.... mike_c Nov 2013 #3

That's not true. The religion I grew up in encourages inquiry. cbayer Nov 2013 #6

No, it doesn't skepticscott Nov 2013 #19

What cbayer believes or doesn't believe... trotsky Nov 2013 #22

+ Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #60

I grew up in a jewish culture edhopper Nov 2013 #21

"All religions"? okasha Nov 2013 #23

evidently so-- perhaps you could inform me.... mike_c Nov 2013 #24

But that's not what you said. cbayer Nov 2013 #27

of course it is.... mike_c Nov 2013 #29

And several people have told you that they have attended churches that encourage inquiry. cbayer Nov 2013 #35

OK, I think we're mixing apples and oranges here.... mike_c Nov 2013 #37

Exactly what kind of evidence do you want? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #38

first and foremost... mike_c Nov 2013 #39

Who is being persecuted? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #41

Christians have persecuted millions, and continue to do so today.... mike_c Nov 2013 #42

I know my religion's history. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #45

Should an atheist child be allowed to go to a Catholic school and question .... PassingFair Nov 2013 #67

My kids did. cbayer Nov 2013 #68

Were they allowed to question catholic doctrine or make flat statements of their own dis-belief? PassingFair Nov 2013 #70

They had religion classes where they were able to question doctrine cbayer Nov 2013 #72

I am not in favor of expelling kids based on their beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #69

Non-theistic Buddhism. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #46

I suspected that might be the case... mike_c Nov 2013 #53

You keep moving the goalposts. cbayer Nov 2013 #44

I am sorry but my church does not discourage inquiry. I am not oppressed either. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #25

what's your religion? mike_c Nov 2013 #26

Episcopalian/Anglican hrmjustin Nov 2013 #28

in my experience Christianity certainly does NOT encourage inquiry regarding dogma.... mike_c Nov 2013 #32

Meet new Christians. sounds to me you are just making a general statement that is based on some bad hrmjustin Nov 2013 #34

What if you said you don't believe in the Trinity? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #47

no I woul not be shown the door. They know I ddon't think much of the hell idea. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #48

So do you recite a creed you don't believe in? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #50

Did I say I did not believe in the creeds? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #51

Some people state you can believe lots of different things and be christian.At least at DU. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #55

We don't use the term hell but we say descended to the dead. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #56

Two words for you: Marcus Borg Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #65

I know about Spong. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #71

I guess you haven't read their recent writings then Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #74

What if you informed yourself a bit better before posting? okasha Nov 2013 #73

Which issues? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #75

Mike_c, they're evading answering you too. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #84

Let me ask you how this sits with you, MOL. cbayer Nov 2013 #85

I don't know how it sits with MoL but it's hilarious to me. trotsky Nov 2013 #86

Hey Trotsky, Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #87

People can do good things without religion. cbayer Nov 2013 #88

As ususal, you intentionally miss the point. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #89

Some people simply have to turn off skepticscott Nov 2013 #90

So Buddhism is irrational mythology?? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #91

I didn't say that it was (and I do know quite a bit about it). cbayer Nov 2013 #92

WHOOOOSH! cleanhippie Nov 2013 #93

You don't understand English. Tu no comprende ingles. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #94

I understand English perfectly well, thanks. cbayer Nov 2013 #95

That you're being accused of making "personal attacks" skepticscott Nov 2013 #96

She doesn't know the meaning of "mythology". Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #97

Talking about someone instead of to them is also a sure sign that you have lost the debate. cbayer Nov 2013 #104

Ignoring factual points and your own inconsistencies is the surest sign you've lost the debate. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #105

I already addressed my comments to you. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #108

I've told you this repeatedly, and I understand that it doesn't fit your narrative, cbayer Dec 2013 #111

It's not about people. It's about dogma. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #100

Everyone has their own dogma. cbayer Nov 2013 #102

Thinking that having an imaginary friend is stupid is not a dogma. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #106

Not entirely true. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #99

I can officiate a same-sex marriage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #98

But there are many religious and fully ordained people who can officiate cbayer Nov 2013 #103

Weak sauce. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #107

Rev. Frank Schaeffer got suspended. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #109

UU is certainly one of the groups I have no issues with. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #110

IMO the primary purpose of religion is to grant power to the priest class w/ a few exceptions msongs Nov 2013 #4

He appears to be trying to avoid blaming anything on anything muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #5

Great observation. trotsky Nov 2013 #10

"When large religious institutions promote oppressive ideals, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #7

The solution is: Blame God muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #8

How about this fundamental? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #49

Holy shit, Martin Luther was a fucked up man. nt ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #54

Classic black-and-white thinker Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #66

The question that needs to be asked is, trotsky Nov 2013 #9

The world would be a better place without religion. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #11

It's not going anywhere. What did you think of the article? cbayer Nov 2013 #12

Yes it is. Nonexistence is 'somewhere' in the sense of it being a category. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #20

It is going away in the more advanced, educated countries. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #30

There is a positive correlation between poverty and religiosity. cbayer Nov 2013 #36

In the west. We've discussed this before. You have to wish away east asia. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #61

Actually, the data is all over the place for China and difficult to verify, but most cbayer Nov 2013 #63

You know, it's this kind of parting shot: trotsky Nov 2013 #64

Kind of, but not really Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #77

No, actually the correlation is between poverty and religiosity. cbayer Nov 2013 #78

"those most desperate receive comfort and solace in the belief" trotsky Nov 2013 #80

I don't think it says what you think it says Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #81

I don't think we really disagree here. cbayer Nov 2013 #82

Maybe more than you'd think Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #83

When large *** promote oppressive ideals, it is the fault of power-hungry, hateful individuals...... dimbear Nov 2013 #13

It is an astoundingly odd statement. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #62

I recently read a book about this basic premise Promethean Nov 2013 #14

There was a thread started yesterday on this book. cbayer Nov 2013 #15

Actually, as was pointed out to you on another thread, trotsky Nov 2013 #16

"Absolutely positive" falters on either end of the spectrums, imo. pinto Nov 2013 #33

Great, thanks for your opinion. trotsky Nov 2013 #57

You're welcome. pinto Nov 2013 #58

Oh my Promethean Nov 2013 #17

Of course I read what you wrote. I was just giving my own POV on it. cbayer Nov 2013 #18

Even though I'm not religious, CFLDem Nov 2013 #31

Actually, there would be one less reason. xfundy Nov 2013 #40

Never gonna happen. CFLDem Nov 2013 #43

religion has been around for a very long time madrchsod Nov 2013 #52

Measles, polio, and leprosy have been around a long time too. dimbear Nov 2013 #59

Trey Parker's insight on this subject is hilarious and poignant. Laelth Nov 2013 #76

He and Matt Stone also presented an interesting perspective in Book of Mormon. cbayer Nov 2013 #79

It is the ago-old question of beliefs versus religious enterprises BlueStreak Nov 2013 #101

Personal faith is a problem to society in this instance: Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2013 #112