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In reply to the discussion: "The World Would Be a Better Place Without Religion" -- A Sentiment Common on College Campuses [View all]Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)49. How about this fundamental?
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly acts...
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. For our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...they remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...that everyone would gladly be rid of them.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Undoubtedly they do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
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No apologist can claim that Martin Luther bore his anti-Jewishness out of youthful naivete', uneducation, or out of unfounded Christianity. On the contrary, Luther in his youth expressed a great optimism about Jewish conversion to Christianity. But in his later years, Luther began to realize that the Jews would not convert to his wishes. His anti-Jewishness grew slowly over time. His logic came not from science or reason, but rather from Scripture and his Faith. His "On the Jews and Their Lies" shows remarkable study into the Bible and fanatical biblical reasoning. Luther, at age 60 wrote this dangerous "little" book at the prime of his maturity, and in full knowledge in support of his beliefs and Christianity.
Few people today realize that Luther wrote 'On the Jews and Their Lies.' (He also wrote such works like "Against the Sabbatarians."
Walter Buch, the head of the Nazi Party court, admitted Luther's influence on Nazi Germany:
When Luther turned his attention to the Jews, after he completed his translation of the Bible, he left behind "on the Jews and their Lies" for posterity. -cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Many people confess their amazement that Hitler preaches ideas which they have always held.... From the Middle Ages we can look to the same example in Martin Luther. What stirred in the soul and spirit of the German people of that time, finally found expression in his person, in his words and deeds.
-"Geist und Kampf" (speech), Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Hans Hinkel, a Nazi who worked in Goebbels' Reich Chamber of Culture said:
Through his acts and his spiritual attitude he began the fight which we still wage today; with Luther the revolution of German blood and feeling against alien elements of the Volk was begun. -cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich
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"The World Would Be a Better Place Without Religion" -- A Sentiment Common on College Campuses [View all]
cbayer
Nov 2013
OP
I don't know about the world, but General Discussion was better without all the religious material.
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#1
And several people have told you that they have attended churches that encourage inquiry.
cbayer
Nov 2013
#35
Should an atheist child be allowed to go to a Catholic school and question ....
PassingFair
Nov 2013
#67
Were they allowed to question catholic doctrine or make flat statements of their own dis-belief?
PassingFair
Nov 2013
#70
I am sorry but my church does not discourage inquiry. I am not oppressed either.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#25
in my experience Christianity certainly does NOT encourage inquiry regarding dogma....
mike_c
Nov 2013
#32
Meet new Christians. sounds to me you are just making a general statement that is based on some bad
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#34
no I woul not be shown the door. They know I ddon't think much of the hell idea.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#48
Some people state you can believe lots of different things and be christian.At least at DU.
Manifestor_of_Light
Nov 2013
#55
Talking about someone instead of to them is also a sure sign that you have lost the debate.
cbayer
Nov 2013
#104
Ignoring factual points and your own inconsistencies is the surest sign you've lost the debate.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#105
I've told you this repeatedly, and I understand that it doesn't fit your narrative,
cbayer
Dec 2013
#111
IMO the primary purpose of religion is to grant power to the priest class w/ a few exceptions
msongs
Nov 2013
#4
Yes it is. Nonexistence is 'somewhere' in the sense of it being a category.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2013
#20
In the west. We've discussed this before. You have to wish away east asia.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2013
#61
Actually, the data is all over the place for China and difficult to verify, but most
cbayer
Nov 2013
#63