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In reply to the discussion: "The World Would Be a Better Place Without Religion" -- A Sentiment Common on College Campuses [View all]Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)55. Some people state you can believe lots of different things and be christian.At least at DU.
How do you know Jesus didn't literally go to hell? The Methodists took that part out of the Apostles' Creed. Have you yourself stood up and been silent during certain phrases recited that you personally don't believe in?
I thought there were certain foundational essential beliefs to label yourself a Christian, but a few people on DU are exceedingly vague and wobbly on what it means to be a Christian. I think they have some hidden agenda in their refusal to be defined, but I don't know what that is.
The only reason I can see for refusing to state their beliefs is that they want people to think they are loving social liberals that NEVER would do anything bad to a person, including dumping loads of misjudgment, unearned shame and guilt on people who are mentally messed up for the rest of their lives. They ignore and explain away the irrational and cruel parts of the New Testament.
Which is why thousands of people wake up to the silliness and fables, and walk out and leave. And still lead good lives without church or reading the book of irrational rules and fairy tales called the bible. Millions of people have prayed fervently and believed in Jesus but not damn thing in their lives changed. Jesus was supposed to be a magic solution to your problems. Didn't work.
But, hey, it's socially acceptable to submit yourself to other peoples' moral judgment when they truly have no moral authority over you, unless you LET them control you.
It's truly a mechanism for control. However, if you don't care what others think, you can leave and feel perfectly good about leaving if you have self-esteem.
I've read lots of stories here on DU of kids who asked too many questions in Sunday School or Catholic School, and they were asked to shut up, or leave, or their mothers were called and complained to. If you think you can ask lots of questions in any Christian church, why don't you ask them to post their stories? George Carlin had that problem too.
In fact, I'll ask those people to post their stories about arguing with nuns or whatever.
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"The World Would Be a Better Place Without Religion" -- A Sentiment Common on College Campuses [View all]
cbayer
Nov 2013
OP
I don't know about the world, but General Discussion was better without all the religious material.
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#1
And several people have told you that they have attended churches that encourage inquiry.
cbayer
Nov 2013
#35
Should an atheist child be allowed to go to a Catholic school and question ....
PassingFair
Nov 2013
#67
Were they allowed to question catholic doctrine or make flat statements of their own dis-belief?
PassingFair
Nov 2013
#70
I am sorry but my church does not discourage inquiry. I am not oppressed either.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#25
in my experience Christianity certainly does NOT encourage inquiry regarding dogma....
mike_c
Nov 2013
#32
Meet new Christians. sounds to me you are just making a general statement that is based on some bad
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#34
no I woul not be shown the door. They know I ddon't think much of the hell idea.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#48
Some people state you can believe lots of different things and be christian.At least at DU.
Manifestor_of_Light
Nov 2013
#55
Talking about someone instead of to them is also a sure sign that you have lost the debate.
cbayer
Nov 2013
#104
Ignoring factual points and your own inconsistencies is the surest sign you've lost the debate.
cleanhippie
Nov 2013
#105
I've told you this repeatedly, and I understand that it doesn't fit your narrative,
cbayer
Dec 2013
#111
IMO the primary purpose of religion is to grant power to the priest class w/ a few exceptions
msongs
Nov 2013
#4
Yes it is. Nonexistence is 'somewhere' in the sense of it being a category.
AtheistCrusader
Nov 2013
#20
In the west. We've discussed this before. You have to wish away east asia.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2013
#61
Actually, the data is all over the place for China and difficult to verify, but most
cbayer
Nov 2013
#63