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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
25. why did you leave out the "and art" part of it?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:37 PM
Dec 2013

Because I didn't just say "billions and billions of dollars in gold."

And you know that
Yet you chose to editorialize it as if I did.

That's not being honest.

Interesting that you left that part out. I guess it wouldn't fit your agenda of implying, directly or indirectly, that anyone who ever has any criticism of the Catholic Church, The Pope, or ANYTHING to do with any of them is a bigot, a this, a that.

Save it.

But, since you asked (even though you know I'm being factual and truthful)

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2013/02/17/vatican-finances/

(This is from an article written in 1987)

"If it chose, the Vatican could easily solve its financial problems by selling some of its more than 18,000 works of art. Vatican officials bristle at the idea of parting with so much as a Grecian urn to raise cash, let alone Michelangelo's Pieta or Raphael's frescoes. ''They belong to humanity,'' says Cardinal Caprio of the Vatican's budget office. On the books, the Vatican's billions of dollars in art treasures are assigned the value of 1 lira."

The windfall went to construct buildings and to buy gold and securities. About half the Vatican's $500 million in investments generate little or no income. Some $100 million is parked in bank accounts, and the Vatican's gold hoard, bought in the 1930s at an average price of $35 an ounce, is now worth $100 million at $450 an ounce. Not a single bar of the papal bullion, which sits in the vaults of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, has ever been sold.
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The fact that the Vatican lists its 18,000 pieces of art by Raphael, Donatello, Michelangelo to name a few at the price of "1 Euro" doesn't really mean they're worth 1 Euro.

If you are seriously arguing that 18,000 pieces of art by the world's most famous painters and sculptors isn't worth a considerable amount of money, then you are being incredibly intellectually dishonest.

And I'm assuming that you've been to The Vatican. I have. There's a shit ton of gold, silver, platinum, marble, precious and semi-precious stones there.

But eh! It's all worthless. JUST JUNK, right? WHy sell it...worthless shit from Renaissance masters.

Whatever argument you were trying to make by editorializing my actual quote isn't working, Rug.

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Well his first priority are the people of Rome so it would bbe a great thing for him to do. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #1
The way things are going around here... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #2
Explain please. nt No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #3
Just look at the first few pages of GD, and search for 'pope' or 'porn' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #5
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Dec 2013 #4
I'm sure the Vatican is quite happy skepticscott Dec 2013 #6
Do you have evidence it is a rumor? rug Dec 2013 #7
Maybe it is true. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #8
Not impossible, I suppose skepticscott Dec 2013 #9
To me yes. I would be really glad to see it. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #10
We can be very sure skepticscott Dec 2013 #11
No I doubt they will but we can only hope the Vatican can see the light on marriage equality. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #12
You just might see it in your lifetime. MADem Dec 2013 #26
We can hope and pray that he and the ones after him get it right. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #27
They have their work cut out for them, but he's off to a good start. MADem Dec 2013 #28
What I hope he does is come to the US and address the bishops pulically and scold them. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #29
He needs to ostentatiously start promoting the "wash the feet of the poor" types... MADem Dec 2013 #30
This guy would be great as a bishop or a cardinal. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #31
Conan could help him write some of his sermons....! nt MADem Dec 2013 #32
I detest sermons. My priest goes on for 20 minutes and I can not stand it. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #33
For some reason I think a sermon written by Conan O'Brien would be MADem Dec 2013 #34
Oh yes that probably is true. He gets his hands dirty. Many clergy do not. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #35
What a vomit-inducing facile piece... MellowDem Dec 2013 #13
I generally feel nauseous when reading about people giving money to poor people. rug Dec 2013 #14
I feel nauseous when puff pieces use the poor as pawns to support bigots MellowDem Dec 2013 #15
I feel nauseous when people are blinded by their prejuduces. rug Dec 2013 #16
I know, the Pope has his blinders on tight MellowDem Dec 2013 #17
He's not the only one. rug Dec 2013 #18
Yeah, his followers do too... MellowDem Dec 2013 #19
Careful, don't trip over the irony in that statement. rug Dec 2013 #20
No irony... MellowDem Dec 2013 #21
Apparently because you are bound and determined to think the worst of the man n/t Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #47
You're whine is noted. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #49
As is your poor grammar Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #50
No worse than yours. And that whine is also noted. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #53
Says the man who uses "you're" instead of "your" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #58
Bwahahahahaha! Look at what you've been reduced to. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #59
YOU are the one whinging. You are reduced to pretending that I am being ungrammatical Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #60
What's that on your face? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #61
There are none so blind as those who will not see. cbayer Dec 2013 #22
Instead of sneaking out, why not sell the billions and billions of dollars in gold and art that the Heddi Dec 2013 #23
That chestnut hs been trooted out since the days of the Know Nothing Party. rug Dec 2013 #24
why did you leave out the "and art" part of it? Heddi Dec 2013 #25
You, of all people, should know you're never going to get an honest conversation from him. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #36
You should have waited a minute. rug Dec 2013 #38
I'll be embarrassed when you actually start being honest. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #39
I'll see a doctor when you do. rug Dec 2013 #40
Having to have the last word, regardless how idiotic it sounds, is still a problem you have. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #41
Thank you for your valuable contributions to this subthread. rug Dec 2013 #42
Thank you for demonstrating to all your last-word compulsion. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #43
Why are you linking art to gold? rug Dec 2013 #37
I'm sure you realize that the works of art are held in museums for the benefit of all humanity. No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #44
The Catholic Church is not a cultural institution and no one has suggested skepticscott Dec 2013 #46
Sorry. You and at least one other were on my ignore list so I couldn't No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #48
+10 okasha Dec 2013 #62
And are the Met and MOMA part of the federal government? skepticscott Dec 2013 #63
Got a way to sell the Sistine Chapel ceiling? Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #64
Does the fact that a few works are not movable or transferrable skepticscott Dec 2013 #65
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #66
Here are the questions skepticscott Dec 2013 #67
Any charitable good that the RCC claims to do among the poor skepticscott Dec 2013 #45
why not ask the prospective buyers of that art? by definition they're more liquid MisterP Dec 2013 #54
500 billion dollars will go a long way. Lint Head Dec 2013 #51
Not really. By comparison, the U.S. Defense budget was $683 billion. rug Dec 2013 #52
But that's for killing people. Lint Head Dec 2013 #55
Yeah. Who's the worse criminal? rug Dec 2013 #56
Zackly! Lint Head Dec 2013 #57
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