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trotsky

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Reply to cbayer (Reply #60)

Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:45 AM

Dec 2013

Find any quotes from these "anti-theist leaders" proving that it's "not much" of an exaggeration yet, cbayer?

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What Hitchens got wrong: Abolishing religion won�t fix anything [View all] cbayer Dec 2013 OP

Religion is politics, but with God on your side. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #1

Straw man. immoderate Dec 2013 #2

And the "logic" he attempts to attribute to atheists skepticscott Dec 2013 #3

This comes pretty close. rug Dec 2013 #6

Seems quite different to me. immoderate Dec 2013 #9

Yes, "everything" seems rather limited. rug Dec 2013 #12

Well, it is everywhere, but it's not the only "thing." immoderate Dec 2013 #16

Even saying religion poisons everything... Silent3 Dec 2013 #22

Saying religion poisons everything is hyperbolic pap. rug Dec 2013 #23

So the only way to properly point out hyperbole... Silent3 Dec 2013 #24

No, one can also rephrase that to which one objects in such a fashion as to suggest that what rug Dec 2013 #25

Rather than archly referring to what "one" can do, and vaguely... Silent3 Dec 2013 #26

Thank you for that courteous post. rug Dec 2013 #27

My civility only lasts until you pull that kind of smug bullshit. Silent3 Dec 2013 #28

I'll tell you straight. rug Dec 2013 #29

That quote you quote isn't anything Hitchens, or any other atheist I know, wrote. Silent3 Dec 2013 #30

OK, we now agree it's not the sole cause. Let's quantify and test that. rug Dec 2013 #31

I certainly don't think the Mideast would suddenly be at peace if religion went away. Silent3 Dec 2013 #33

He also wrote that atheists believe "abolishing religion would bring about utopia" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #35

Have you not seen similar things said here? cbayer Dec 2013 #37

'end world conflict'? 'the cause of all human suffering'? 'bring about utopia'? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #44

The author also paraphrased the Communist Manifesto. rug Dec 2013 #41

So, after telling us to 'read the whole thing', and quoting just one part of it muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #42

Not at all. If you want to know what I said, read my words, not yours. rug Dec 2013 #43

Except that Hitchens goes on to demonstrate it for things that one might not otherwise assume AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #54

He didn't demonstrate his premise it all. rug Dec 2013 #63

He supplied an entire book supporting the premise. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #68

He supplied an entire book (which is the perfect way of putting it) but it does not support it. rug Dec 2013 #69

Those don't mean remotely the same thing. gcomeau Dec 2013 #32

I see. Exaggerated rhetoric is only for Hitchens. rug Dec 2013 #34

You know the difference between... gcomeau Dec 2013 #38

Yes. Hitchens' statement is a flat out lie, designed to rally the peanut gallery. rug Dec 2013 #39

Oh fun, now we're going to play the intentionally obtuse game. gcomeau Dec 2013 #45

Merry Christmas. rug Dec 2013 #47

Aww, that's cute. gcomeau Dec 2013 #48

I agree. You clearly were not making an argument. rug Dec 2013 #51

Congratulations! gcomeau Dec 2013 #52

Don't forget page 47. rug Dec 2013 #65

Aww, you regressed. :( -eom gcomeau Dec 2013 #71

Page 44. rug Dec 2013 #76

Now you're not even trying. gcomeau Dec 2013 #79

Wrong. Not even close. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #53

Tha's been answered above. rug Dec 2013 #64

Inadequately answered. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #66

So, your priority is the elimination of religion over a capitalist political economy. rug Dec 2013 #67

Well religion does poison everything. cbayer Dec 2013 #70

I'd better check my refrigerator. rug Dec 2013 #74

Yep! You better make sure there's no religion in there or you could die tonight! cbayer Dec 2013 #77

Corporate cronyism is a problem, certainly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #72

Marx's critique of capital went far beyond cronyism. rug Dec 2013 #75

I'm not aware of any corporations that want to ban any of my activities. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #82

That's because you're not trying to form a union. rug Dec 2013 #83

I also want to keep the ACA in force of law AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #84

A handful. The insurance industry on the other hand is preparing for a windfall. rug Dec 2013 #85

I deal with the biggest threat first. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #86

And you picked the wrong one. rug Dec 2013 #87

Wrong one in your estimate. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #88

When one bases political action on the adage that religion poisons everything, rug Dec 2013 #89

The RCC has infringed on my life in ways that can never be repaid. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #90

Politics is not based on your life. Or my life, for that matter. rug Dec 2013 #91

Well, he jousted at a dead woman. rug Dec 2013 #4

A really horrible woman. Can saints be dead? immoderate Dec 2013 #10

Then he was a good match. rug Dec 2013 #11

Except that he wasn't a scam. immoderate Dec 2013 #14

Discounting his cheerleading for the Iraq War. rug Dec 2013 #15

No discount. He fails there. But that's not the issue. immoderate Dec 2013 #17

Neither are post mortem critiques. rug Dec 2013 #18

Which is what this thread is for! immoderate Dec 2013 #19

Nah, three of the four of them are still alive. rug Dec 2013 #20

He did start while she was alive muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #36

And poceeded with relish after her death. rug Dec 2013 #40

That is not what he claims they said. cbayer Dec 2013 #5

Again: Straw Man Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #7

I think the straw man here may be nit-picking the concept. cbayer Dec 2013 #8

He certainly does Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #50

Sorry, false. skepticscott Dec 2013 #21

There is no logical correlation between AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #55

The author doesn't use the word everything in the entire article - not once. cbayer Dec 2013 #60

It is a complete exaggeration, because it would require them to say things along the line AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #61

Here's something for you to do, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #73

Just checking in. trotsky Dec 2013 #93

Religion just makes the politics of war easier NoOneMan Dec 2013 #13

What a pathetic attempt at an article. trotsky Dec 2013 #46

Gotta love how... LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #49

Fortunately Salon commenters have taken him to task. trotsky Dec 2013 #57

How much war/strife in the Middle East these days if Judaism and Islam weren't at loggerheads? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #56

I find the religion/politics distinction specious myself Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #58

It's certainly an element of it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #59

Well, they are separable in one direction only Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #62

Considering the Marxist Soviets tried it and Stalin brutally, Cleita Dec 2013 #78

Hitchens isn't learning anything Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #92

No one? cbayer Dec 2013 #96

That's right: no one. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #101

I think that argument could be made. cbayer Dec 2013 #102

An argument could be made for any conceivable idea... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #104

You may disagree with me, but that does not mean I am wrong. cbayer Dec 2013 #105

Words mean things, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #106

Huge straw man!!!! longship Dec 2013 #80

Fails Philosophy of Logic 101 pokerfan Dec 2013 #81

Well, cbayer thinks it's a fantastic article. trotsky Dec 2013 #94

I think cbayer can speak for herself. longship Dec 2013 #95

Excellent! trotsky Dec 2013 #97

While I agree that the author takes some liberties and exaggerates some of cbayer Dec 2013 #98

Pretty hard to stay warm outside here. longship Dec 2013 #99

I have one word for you - cbayer Dec 2013 #100

So basically you admit he lied, trotsky Dec 2013 #103