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cbayer

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98. You, like most people that post here, have a complex and very personal

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 04:31 PM

Dec 2013

space that you occupy which you arrived at on your own unique path.

That's one of the things I love about religion.

As stated in another article posted here today, it is the rigidity within religion held by some believers and some non-believers that is the real danger.

My own family is really complicated. My father is a minister and a rather radical political activist. I have a sister who is pretty mainstream christian, an atheist son who about to marry into a very catholic family and will probably convert and a daughter who has married into a devoutly muslim family. My husband was previously married into a highly fundamentalist family and we are very friendly with them.

We have what I would call robust discussions about religion, but everyone has a degree of tolerance and respect that is admirable. No one has cut anyone out, though there were some tough moments when our son-in-law told his family he was marrying a non-muslim.

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Pope Francis trashes the ‘prosperity gospel’: Pompous Christians are ugly pagans [View all] DonViejo Dec 2013 OP

The prosperity gospel is John Calvin's false cult. PM Martin Dec 2013 #1

Can you explain how it's related to Calvin and his doctrine. Leontius Dec 2013 #19

If you're saved, supposedly, okasha Dec 2013 #68

as it should be. hollysmom Dec 2013 #2

Nice trashing of Pagans there Frankie... MellowDem Dec 2013 #3

+3327 Angry Dragon Dec 2013 #29

The problem with your post okasha Dec 2013 #69

Nope MellowDem Dec 2013 #78

'a Christian who doesn’t want to humble himself...' freshwest Dec 2013 #4

Do y'all think he will change anyone's behavior? I'm asking seriously. Squinch Dec 2013 #5

Let me answer that question with another one: trotsky Dec 2013 #24

Yes, but at least on some topics, he is asking his followers to respect their better natures. Squinch Dec 2013 #25

No pope in your memory? trotsky Dec 2013 #31

I don't read American Catholic, or the reports of the Catholic Conference of Bishops. Neither do Squinch Dec 2013 #35

LOL trotsky Dec 2013 #44

Whatever, dear. How many of the others made the general public discuss these issues? Squinch Dec 2013 #61

Your use of condescending language is noted, trotsky Dec 2013 #62

And your refusal to engage in anything resembling an actual discussion. Squinch Dec 2013 #63

You made a claim. trotsky Dec 2013 #64

Truly ridiculous. Squinch Dec 2013 #65

Obviously you don't remember John Paul II n/t Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #71

I certainly don't remember him taking on Wall Street. Squinch Dec 2013 #72

Oh, I see Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #74

Well, so I suppose that answers my original question: Squinch Dec 2013 #75

"in ways he knows will challenge those who can actually do something about it" Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #66

Yes, he will change some people's behavior goldent Dec 2013 #85

I posed the question thinking that would be the case, but seemed to get a lot Squinch Dec 2013 #87

No, the "anger" you encountered was people correcting your false statement. trotsky Dec 2013 #88

Case in point. Squinch Dec 2013 #89

You have yourself a wonderful Christmas, too! trotsky Dec 2013 #90

+10 rug Dec 2013 #91

The difference between Francis okasha Dec 2013 #93

You know that's false, but I guess it makes you happy. skepticscott Dec 2013 #94

That was what I noticed. He appears to be Squinch Dec 2013 #96

Small but loud group. Thanks for posting this and I hope you will continue cbayer Dec 2013 #95

I'm not bothered. Squinch Dec 2013 #97

You, like most people that post here, have a complex and very personal cbayer Dec 2013 #98

It's the way of the world these days. Squinch Dec 2013 #99

I think it's one of the things that makes life so interesting. cbayer Dec 2013 #100

You too! Have a great holiday. Squinch Dec 2013 #101

My favorites among the small and loud okasha Dec 2013 #102

Some points of privilege are so high that others can't even be seen. cbayer Dec 2013 #103

The original "barque of Peter" okasha Dec 2013 #105

Perhaps you'd care to point out even one skepticscott Dec 2013 #106

It's strange, isn't it... trotsky Dec 2013 #107

And there are, I'm happy to say, plenty of those people skepticscott Dec 2013 #108

A vile slander on pagans... nt uriel1972 Dec 2013 #6

The pagans I know, and I know many, rarely strut around Marrah_G Dec 2013 #7

Nothing says "humble" like the Vatican Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #8

So what should the Pope do to be more Humble in regards to this place? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #9

A little honesty would be a good start Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #12

I do agree the Pagan line was ill chosen el_bryanto Dec 2013 #14

Like I said... honesty. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #18

Pardon me, but I think that's exactly what he is doing. notadmblnd Dec 2013 #28

And I think not. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #38

There are plenty of us pagans okasha Dec 2013 #70

Will you be hosting gladitorial games this Quinquatria? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #73

So you're defending the Pope on this one? okasha Dec 2013 #76

Hardly Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #77

LOL trotsky Dec 2013 #10

What's wrong with pagans? trotsky Dec 2013 #11

Yah... cilla4progress Dec 2013 #26

Interesting that the usual Pope cheerleaders Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #13

Take comfort that the usual Pope haters are present and accounted for. rug Dec 2013 #22

I generally don't like homophobes and misogynists Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #23

Is that your justification for, and admission of, Pope hating? rug Dec 2013 #32

I don't like the Pope. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #43

I'll take that as a yes. rug Dec 2013 #55

Did I stutter? Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #57

No, you made it quite clear. rug Dec 2013 #58

Yes, no need to wonder where the room's most outspoken and self-righteous pagan skepticscott Dec 2013 #36

As a Pope Defender I want to say that while I generally agree with the Popes statements here el_bryanto Dec 2013 #15

Agree that his use of the word pagan is misplaced. cbayer Dec 2013 #16

Oh, "heathen." Yeah, that's a lot better. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #17

Ha! Don't hold your breath. trotsky Dec 2013 #20

I dunno, methinks "heretics" or "blasphemers" DinahMoeHum Dec 2013 #30

As a heretic and a blasphemer I resent that:)...nt uriel1972 Dec 2013 #33

The point he was trying to make was that they are something other than Christian. cbayer Dec 2013 #34

Poor form?? Why are you afraid to call it what it really is? skepticscott Dec 2013 #37

Pathetic, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #47

Hmmm... I'd say Pontifex Maximus has it ass backwards. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #81

Sorry, Warren. You have completely missed the point here. cbayer Dec 2013 #82

He certainly has more words to say. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #83

Pagan bashing, how refreshingly old-fashioned Small Accumulates Dec 2013 #21

why Bash PAgans ? isn't this kind of like the white trash comment of duck dynasty JI7 Dec 2013 #27

No, some here are confused by context. rustbeltvoice Dec 2013 #39

Pagan, as in Roman? rug Dec 2013 #40

I had the same reaction goldent Dec 2013 #41

Correct, a generic term for... trotsky Dec 2013 #49

It is an anceint pejoritive Bradical79 Dec 2013 #60

Well, I may be old, but not ancient goldent Dec 2013 #86

Anceint as in over 1000 years Bradical79 Dec 2013 #92

I believe the term used in the Bible... uriel1972 Dec 2013 #42

Lipstick on a pig, my friend. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #45

No True Scotsman doesn't really apply el_bryanto Dec 2013 #48

No. rustbeltvoice Dec 2013 #50

What he said was bigoted. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #51

It's a very small group in actuality. cbayer Dec 2013 #52

Well at least you make sure to get your personal attacks in. trotsky Dec 2013 #53

Speaking of attacking skepticscott Dec 2013 #56

Not only that, but they're in agreement before he typed anything. rug Dec 2013 #67

'Pagan' is here really not used in reference to a group or individuals of current pagans... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #46

Pagan has always been a pejorative, also what you say about charity is not accurate Bradical79 Dec 2013 #59

Pagan's winter solstice is about 25+ hours away. Trillo Dec 2013 #54

Taking it apart... uriel1972 Dec 2013 #79

I guess the pope is allowed a no true Scotsman argument, given the direct line to god. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #80

This pagan would like to tell him where to stick it Marrah_G Dec 2013 #84

I generally like this pope, but lay off us pagans! truebluegreen Dec 2013 #104