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MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
60. Yes, I'm proud of my "limited grasp" so limited...
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 06:58 PM
Feb 2012

Because I have no "other ways of knowing" !!!


To quote your most logical "ways of knowing"

"And what does the time period have to do with anything?"

OH, I don't know, More time, more sampling? More examples, more observations? Kind of "scientific" terms, I know how you like to avoid scientific analysis of events in history, and just go for the agenda you have in mind.. by the way, how's that dub step coming, you like to repeat yourself alot, that's what this new teenage trend in music is all about..you have many sound and text samples to choose from, repeat and repeat and repeat, that's what "dub-step" is all about in creating music we can all dance to.

"Over the past century more people were murdered under atheist dictators, and by atheists than all religious wars, and in the 20th century alone." And, of course, in 1912, there were no machine guns, no bomber aircraft, (""Over the past century more people were murdered", (And what does the time period have to do with anything?) couldn't have had anything to do with modern warfare techniques, could it? ...NO!!! Of COURSE you're going to go for the atheist angle of this... how could I have failed to see it coming???

Your last post, the one I'm quoting here, if I were you, don't enter into your high school debate team.... oh wait... what's that? You're already out of high school? COOL! Don't enter into college debate team... oh wait, you're already a college grad? COOL!! How come you missed logical argument and points of relevancy in the rules of college forensic debate? Did you not compete on a college debate team? Did you go straight to looking for a job pushing your religious agenda when you were a freshman and skip all the chances to learn about logical argument?

I'll give you a pass on this one: you thought that, since the most deadly wars in history were in the 20th century, you thought you could win a debate because a few atheists showed up to fight some battles and got a lot of people dead. Nice theory, but not strictly a scientific prooof that atheism is more deadly than any war, now, is it, given all the other technological variables the 20th century afforded for methods of killing?

I guess you leave out more than half the facts, choose whatever numbers favor your case, in isolation of other numbers, in isolation of technological advances in methods of killing. Yeah, I figured you thought all those dozens of religious wars where only a a few tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands died in the 16th century were not worth mentioning, you're more into the Pol Pot stuff, I bet, where so many died of simple malnutrition when no "Christian" nation on the planet intervened to save a few million poor Asian rice farmers.

Yeah, I get your point, Christianity and religion are more important than any number of godless atrocities ever evidenced in the human history of religious groups fighting amongst each other.

Atheists are the worst enemies, because more millions died under threats from someone who called those other humans "atheists", and because you say so, and you are such a balanced and an unbiased historian, you ONLY want all the facts out there, and you have a completely objective viewpoint from your "other ways of knowing"!!!!

We all know that now.

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The problem with religion The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #1
"The believers believe because humans told them to" Not I. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #2
I'm not picking on you or anybody; sorry if you took it that way. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #3
People in observation of phenomenon, I believe. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #6
"Why make this a battle against religious like me instead of ..." MarkCharles Feb 2012 #4
And that's one of the problems with religion: The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #5
What if I replace the word "faith" with the word "knife" in the above? napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #10
I think you are missing my point, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #14
Then I stand with you 100% napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #15
What is it you believe on faith alone? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #16
I believe in the capacity of faith, on faith. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #17
I agree religion and the one God are unprovable. part man all 86 Feb 2012 #12
In the holy bible, satan is the prince of the air, part man all 86 Feb 2012 #7
I thought the Mayans said the world was going to end next December. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #8
no the 400 year cycle ends on 21 december 2012, but the 800 year cycle is still running. part man all 86 Feb 2012 #9
the world is not ending that is not in the holy bible part man all 86 Feb 2012 #11
That's not a good enough reason. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #13
You have a serious habit of lumping all religion together and humblebum Feb 2012 #18
And now for the comic relief... darkstar3 Feb 2012 #19
Yes, comic relief is one area that you definitely excel in. That humblebum Feb 2012 #20
Your accusations are as accurate as your attempt at reversal is effective. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #21
Yeh. nt humblebum Feb 2012 #22
* cleanhippie Feb 2012 #24
If he gets CT, it won't be from right clicking. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #25
As usual, you show that you have no coherent argument, so you resort to the old humblebum Feb 2012 #27
Where everyone sees contradiction, you see confirmation, right? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #32
Because edhopper Feb 2012 #26
No unless you had money or raw power on your side they were both about the Leontius Feb 2012 #30
Sure edhopper Feb 2012 #37
And one lead to the Renaisance and the other to Capitalism. Leontius Feb 2012 #40
The Renaissance followed the Dark Ages edhopper Feb 2012 #42
Typical of you to miss the point so badly skepticscott Feb 2012 #28
Well, it's nice to see you finally admit to atheism being narrow-minded. humblebum Feb 2012 #29
Nice to see that skepticscott Feb 2012 #31
I have often said that it was very narrowly focused, as well as narrow-minded. And, humblebum Feb 2012 #33
* cleanhippie Feb 2012 #34
Obviously you have no clue skepticscott Feb 2012 #35
Oh, I clearly know the difference. Except, in your case, they mesh. nt humblebum Feb 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2012 #41
Yeah, because deeply-religious regimes really encourage free-thought and dissent, don't they? mr blur Feb 2012 #38
You mean like atheistic regimes? nt humblebum Feb 2012 #39
The world that there can be evidence for isn't big enough for human beings to live in... saras Feb 2012 #23
You could also put it this way: GliderGuider Feb 2012 #43
No, I couldn't put it that way. That's like saying... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #44
So why is this not happening in other Western nations? GliderGuider Feb 2012 #45
I would guess you haven't traveled very far from America MarkCharles Feb 2012 #47
Your guess is wrong, but you had no way of knowing that. GliderGuider Feb 2012 #49
Well, then, I stand corrected. MarkCharles Feb 2012 #53
That's much better, thanks. GliderGuider Feb 2012 #56
In that case, you MUST include militant atheist fanaticism. Because humblebum Feb 2012 #46
Your comments always bring a chuckle....Which candidates.. MarkCharles Feb 2012 #48
Then I was correct in my assessment of your credentials as an historian. humblebum Feb 2012 #50
You might consider recording a dub-step version of... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #55
Then I was correct in my assessment of your credentials as an historian. humblebum Feb 2012 #57
Ignoring all those dozens of religious wars in history,... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #58
Well, I would say that you are still displaying a very limited grasp of history. humblebum Feb 2012 #59
Yes, I'm proud of my "limited grasp" so limited... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #60
You are still relying on the same old ad homs and vacuous arguments, when you should humblebum Feb 2012 #61
To quote you accurately: " I am not really concerned about why or how MarkCharles Feb 2012 #62
Those other variables of which you speak mean little when the numbers are so pronounced. humblebum Feb 2012 #63
"other variables of which you speak mean little when the numbers are so pronounced" MarkCharles Feb 2012 #64
You are seriously doing a dance to avoid the most obvious point, humblebum Feb 2012 #65
. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #51
Um? Who is posting the most broken records around here? Oh yeh! humblebum Feb 2012 #52
. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #54
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