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4. Exorcism is part of Baptism.

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Vatican and Pope Francis Seek New Demon Exorcists [View all] Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 OP

100 exorcisms a week for one guy? skepticscott Jan 2014 #1

It does make one wonder about the sincerity. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2

Oh, I think the Catholic leadership skepticscott Jan 2014 #3

Exorcism is part of Baptism. rug Jan 2014 #4

Oh, well, okay then. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #90

I imagine you feel precisely the same about Baptism itself. rug Jan 2014 #102

Sounds like fun! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #5

Lol! rug Jan 2014 #6

I try to levitate. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #7

I want to try that upside down crabwalk down the stairs. rug Jan 2014 #8

You would be the life of the party. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #9

"... the person requesting the exorcism must be seen by a physician to make sure the cause struggle4progress Jan 2014 #10

The article didn't have any solid reference to the pope or Vactican goldent Jan 2014 #11

The only thing scarier than adults with imaginary friends, AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #12

Not to mention adults who imagine all sorts of nefarious activity. rug Jan 2014 #13

I don't find adults with imaginary friend or enemies scary at all. cbayer Jan 2014 #14

This president has, to my knowledge, made no statements about being guided by god's voice. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15

Oh, so you are only talking about religious people who say their actions cbayer Jan 2014 #17

We apparently define 'relationship' differently. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #20

How do you define it? cbayer Jan 2014 #22

Two-way communication at least. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #24

And how do you define "communication"? cbayer Jan 2014 #25

Nouns 1-4 in this case. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #30

So if someone reports that there is "something imparted, interchanged, or transmitted" cbayer Jan 2014 #32

And be worried. Yes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

Again, what would you worry about? cbayer Jan 2014 #41

I've answered that question multiple times. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #49

We are in agreement. I think we have to be extremely vigilant about cbayer Jan 2014 #57

I can't even craft a search query that might reveal if he's made any claims about that AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #16

He has made statements about praying every day and that his religious beliefs cbayer Jan 2014 #18

If he thinks he gets a response AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #19

I think "response" is a pretty broad term. cbayer Jan 2014 #21

Nuance, indeed. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #23

Do you know anyone who has said they have received a "celestial fax"? cbayer Jan 2014 #26

Yes I do, and yes I would. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #29

What are you fearful of? cbayer Jan 2014 #31

What worries me? People in positions of power acting on moral authority from AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #35

Your definition keeps getting narrower, which is a good thing. cbayer Jan 2014 #38

Agreed on both points. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #39

I want you to understand my objection to the term. cbayer Jan 2014 #43

It is not a slur. It's an accurate description of the situation from a secular point of view. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #46

I'm going to only say this once more, then I am through. cbayer Jan 2014 #50

I didn't call them delusional. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53

"Delusional" is not the same as "mentally ill" trotsky Jan 2014 #60

Helter Skelter. PassingFair Jan 2014 #105

Helter Skelter? As in Charles Manson? cbayer Jan 2014 #106

Since the topic is exorcism, this is about 'enemies' that such believers think control people muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #33

I think it's more a metaphor, but I think that about a lot of religious ritual. cbayer Jan 2014 #34

As you said, it's a symptom of a mental illness muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #36

No, I didn't say that. cbayer Jan 2014 #40

"people with serious psychiatric disorders, like schizophrenia" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #42

You would be hard pressed to find any psychiatric professional who cbayer Jan 2014 #44

You think "demon exorcists" are the "people who understand what it is"? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #45

I don't believe in possession by demons, but I understand it as a metaphor. cbayer Jan 2014 #48

The CIA used confessions to spy on people. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #51

"recommending that people seek medical attention" is not diagnosing them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #52

Certainly it is. cbayer Jan 2014 #55

"a growing team" - they're adding to them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #59

It is you that has the complaint, not them. cbayer Jan 2014 #62

I forgot about this part. cbayer Jan 2014 #65

They 'require it' but do not always follow said guideline. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #69

I think, but am not sure, that one of the purposes of the new initiative is cbayer Jan 2014 #71

In that sense, I suppose that is helpful. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

I appreciate your last several posts on this and I think we agree for the most part. cbayer Jan 2014 #88

I'm sorry that we vehemently disagree on some things and then AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #91

I'm not that different from you in that regard. cbayer Jan 2014 #92

"a growing team" goldent Jan 2014 #86

The Telegraph, a conservative, pro-Catholic newspaper: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #87

Yeah, I have become more skeptical of reported news goldent Jan 2014 #99

You're not a catholic. Catholics believe in exorcism. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #54

No, it does not concern me unless there is some evidence that it is cbayer Jan 2014 #56

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #58

Those are anecdotes. I asked for data. cbayer Jan 2014 #61

There is zero scientific data showing ghosts or demons exist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #63

That's true. There is no data about ghosts and demons. cbayer Jan 2014 #64

An anecdote IS a piece of evidence. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #66

It is a small, unverifiable, unrepeatable piece of information. cbayer Jan 2014 #67

Vaccines have caused immense harm AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #68

Oopsie. Didn't realize your position on this. cbayer Jan 2014 #70

Just in case there was a misunderstanding, let me summarize in parting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #72

This thread would be amazing, stunning, instead it is normal. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #74

I haven't really read it. What is stunning? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #75

Exorcism being defended? Seriously? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #76

I see no one has ever levitated in front of you or puked green stuff on you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #77

I think it is charlatanism preying on desperate people. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #78

What if they are getting medical attention and the doctors say an exorcism can't hurt? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #80

What if the doctor is a Vatican approved exorcism friendly shithead? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #81

Vatican doctors usually are good. They can pay for them. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #82

What other bullshit "medicine" are you a fan of? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #83

Laying on hands in my church is a priest saying healing prayers over a sick person. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #84

"The study also found that patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse" AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

So. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #94

I thought it was self-explanatory. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #95

It was. ut what does it have to do with laying on of hands? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #96

Saying "saying healing prayers over a sick person" sounds a lot like AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

People who get laying on hands askfor it or the families ask for it because the person would have hrmjustin Jan 2014 #98

Understood. I think that probably refers to the AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #100

Not always but most of the time. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #101

There are no people who understand what it 'is'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #47

I would be extremely worried if I found out they believed in demonic possession. PassingFair Jan 2014 #103

Do you know what happened during the exorcism? cbayer Jan 2014 #104

No. PassingFair Jan 2014 #107

One of the guidelines is that people have to have cbayer Jan 2014 #108

How could any exorcism edhopper Jan 2014 #109

Also...any adult that believes themselves to be "possessed"... PassingFair Jan 2014 #110

No, they are not mentally ill by definition. cbayer Jan 2014 #112

So are you claiming that it's possible to be possessed? trotsky Jan 2014 #113

There it is. PassingFair Jan 2014 #114

There is what? cbayer Jan 2014 #115

No, she is not. She doesnt make claims, remember? cleanhippie Jan 2014 #116

Well, there was a recent claim that science promotes genocide, because hitler. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #117

Well, yeah. Everyone knows that. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #118

Frankly, I've met more than a few "therapists" in my day that I think cbayer Jan 2014 #111

Call me when they send the exorcists to Wall Street. hedgehog Jan 2014 #27

++++ Cleita Jan 2014 #28

Yeah. All the "old" exorcists don't have the whole Skyping exorcism thing down. Lint Head Jan 2014 #79

That's so fucking idiotic. Evoman Jan 2014 #85

Well, I'm so happy to see that this church has moved on from its medieval mindset. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #89