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cbayer

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85. Who demands that?

Mon Jan 13, 2014, 07:52 PM

Jan 2014

All believers? Some believers?

And what exactly does "demand we respect" mean in reality? Where do you think the line should be? Is allowing for religious freedom a demand for respect?

I do have a strong dislike of anti-atheism in general and a few specific individuals in particular. That doesn't make me a bigot, let alone a bigot towards atheists in general.

I have no dislike of atheists in general. None. I feel about them the same way I feel about theists, which is fairly neutral unless they are working for things I support or doing things that harm the causes I support. Then I am not neutral.

And how you can accuse me of attacking others instead of attacking their beliefs when you just called me a bigot is hard to understand.

I try not to attack others and to stick with their beliefs. You and I have areas where we strongly disagree, but I don't recall ever attacking you.

On the other hand…..

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Agree or disagree - Religious Tolerance is an worthwhile individual value [View all] el_bryanto Jan 2014 OP

It's a worthwhile cultural and social value, too. okasha Jan 2014 #1

I think it's more than just worthwhile. I think it's critical. cbayer Jan 2014 #2

I know a number of good/liberal democrats who are also people of faith Gothmog Jan 2014 #102

I grew up surrounded by it and have an abiding respect for people of faith cbayer Jan 2014 #103

I did some searching Gothmog Jan 2014 #104

Did you convert because of a relationship or because it spoke to you? cbayer Jan 2014 #105

Because it spoke to me Gothmog Jan 2014 #106

That's wonderful. cbayer Jan 2014 #107

we should not tolerate the belief in invisible magical Omnipotent beings. bowens43 Jan 2014 #3

Discourage it? cbayer Jan 2014 #5

Best way to create an atheist xfundy Jan 2014 #8

Do you have any evidence, other than anecdotal, to support that premise. cbayer Jan 2014 #10

If you think you're allowed to make them, trotsky Jan 2014 #36

I think tolerance is a value to be supported in all our interactions. pinto Jan 2014 #4

Tolerance of the Hindu next door and the Methodist across the street Warpy Jan 2014 #6

I think in that case are talking more about political tolerance el_bryanto Jan 2014 #12

Lots of people think that. trotsky Jan 2014 #21

I am sorry for my lack of clarity el_bryanto Jan 2014 #23

The law limits peyote use okasha Jan 2014 #28

I respect religion until it tries to step on my right to live my life. xfundy Jan 2014 #7

tolerance of people edhopper Jan 2014 #9

Define "religious tolerance" skepticscott Jan 2014 #11

It looks like your knickers are already in a wad from a single question. rug Jan 2014 #13

. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #17

I suppose i mean social tolerance and mutual respect el_bryanto Jan 2014 #14

Some beliefs edhopper Jan 2014 #15

And you feel it best not to be tolerant of those beliefs? nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #16

yes edhopper Jan 2014 #18

And how exactly do you propose to not tolerate those people? rug Jan 2014 #33

I was responding to each post edhopper Jan 2014 #41

But you did say something abount not tolerating people. rug Jan 2014 #49

There are certainly people I don't tolerate because of their behavior edhopper Jan 2014 #54

And again, how exactly do you not tolerate those people? rug Jan 2014 #55

I am lost edhopper Jan 2014 #57

How do you not tolerate people at a pro-life march? rug Jan 2014 #58

Did I say I don't tolerate them. edhopper Jan 2014 #62

Yes. rug Jan 2014 #64

I guess where back to edhopper Jan 2014 #69

Those beliefs Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #77

Those, no, you are right. edhopper Jan 2014 #78

I probably do as well Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #93

Depends, edhopper Jan 2014 #95

I hear you. Dorian Gray Jan 2014 #96

I don't have friends like that edhopper Jan 2014 #97

Why? rug Jan 2014 #31

Because they are ridiculous edhopper Jan 2014 #42

And what exactly do you gain from that? rug Jan 2014 #48

Mocking? edhopper Jan 2014 #52

I know Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart I would like to be a friend of mine. rug Jan 2014 #53

That's not a definition skepticscott Jan 2014 #19

Dictionary definition? el_bryanto Jan 2014 #20

As edhopper noted above, trotsky Jan 2014 #22

Part of me wants to ask why you are asking this question - el_bryanto Jan 2014 #26

I'm asked the question because your OP is meaningless. trotsky Jan 2014 #27

I asked a question; if you don't like the discussion that ensues el_bryanto Jan 2014 #29

Congratulations, that is exactly the point. trotsky Jan 2014 #30

How narrow are the boundaries of your tolerance though? el_bryanto Jan 2014 #32

Who knows? trotsky Jan 2014 #35

It only gets tricky if you assume that I am suggesting that Religious Tolerance el_bryanto Jan 2014 #44

Then your poll is meaningless. trotsky Jan 2014 #65

What religious beliefs do you tolerate? rug Jan 2014 #34

lol. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #37

Well the OP amended his post edhopper Jan 2014 #43

Thank you, trotsky. rug Jan 2014 #47

So you only want an answer from him? edhopper Jan 2014 #50

Yeah, he made a vers specific comment about what he will or will not tolerate. rug Jan 2014 #51

Perhaps? You "suppose"? skepticscott Jan 2014 #24

I've answered the question twice now el_bryanto Jan 2014 #25

No, you replied twice skepticscott Jan 2014 #83

I don't anticipate having a productive discussion with you at all. el_bryanto Jan 2014 #86

Then my answer to your poll question is no. gcomeau Jan 2014 #71

Might I ask how you feel about religious satire in literature? LostOne4Ever Jan 2014 #89

Great post. trotsky Jan 2014 #94

I am a rather tolerant person. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #38

Tolerance and civility, like so many things, start at home. We can all be role models. pinto Jan 2014 #39

I was going to push agree. Inkfreak Jan 2014 #40

I put 'somewhat agree'... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #45

Are religious rights not human rights? cbayer Jan 2014 #46

An example... LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #66

Good examples. cbayer Jan 2014 #68

only to the same extent that other forms of mental illness are "tolerated...." mike_c Jan 2014 #56

Are you seriously calling the religious mentally ill? cbayer Jan 2014 #59

read my sig line.... mike_c Jan 2014 #60

That's an opinion, but it has no basis in fact. cbayer Jan 2014 #63

2 questions el_bryanto Jan 2014 #61

those are interesting questions.... mike_c Jan 2014 #72

I think you might be misunderstanding my situation el_bryanto Jan 2014 #74

are you familiar with Garrett Hardin's "The Tragedy of the Commons?" mike_c Jan 2014 #75

The Commons argument is an interesting one, but I don't believe it works el_bryanto Jan 2014 #76

I think there is a danger in treating a belief system, with which one disagrees, as mental illness LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #67

perhaps you misunderstand me.... mike_c Jan 2014 #73

Agree but... Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #70

I don't respect beliefs, nor do I tolerate them, I respect the rights of people to their beliefs... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #79

And when you call someone a bigot as an expression of your "belief", that's ok? cbayer Jan 2014 #80

No, do you think us "anti-theists" are hypocrites by definition? Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #81

You accused me of being bigoted against atheists. I asked you what you based that on, cbayer Jan 2014 #82

They demand that we respect their beliefs, which is just stupid... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #84

Who demands that? cbayer Jan 2014 #85

So you support making gay marriage illegal? skepticscott Jan 2014 #101

I tolerate someone... rexcat Jan 2014 #87

Religious tolerance? Pffft. Evoman Jan 2014 #88

Ideals can go jump in the lake... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #90

That's aprincipled statement. rug Jan 2014 #91

Principles and standards are of great importance... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #92

Why should people have to tolerate stupid beliefs? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #98

People will believe what they believe... uriel1972 Jan 2014 #99

I can see where you are coming from. Very direct response. nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #100