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PassingFair

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Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:56 PM

Jan 2014

But I know that the kid was diagnosed with schizophrenia in his early twenties.
He believes himself to be possessed by demons.

Wonder where THAT idea came from?

He has been hospitalized his entire adult life.

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Vatican and Pope Francis Seek New Demon Exorcists [View all] Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 OP

100 exorcisms a week for one guy? skepticscott Jan 2014 #1

It does make one wonder about the sincerity. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2

Oh, I think the Catholic leadership skepticscott Jan 2014 #3

Exorcism is part of Baptism. rug Jan 2014 #4

Oh, well, okay then. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #90

I imagine you feel precisely the same about Baptism itself. rug Jan 2014 #102

Sounds like fun! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #5

Lol! rug Jan 2014 #6

I try to levitate. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #7

I want to try that upside down crabwalk down the stairs. rug Jan 2014 #8

You would be the life of the party. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #9

"... the person requesting the exorcism must be seen by a physician to make sure the cause struggle4progress Jan 2014 #10

The article didn't have any solid reference to the pope or Vactican goldent Jan 2014 #11

The only thing scarier than adults with imaginary friends, AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #12

Not to mention adults who imagine all sorts of nefarious activity. rug Jan 2014 #13

I don't find adults with imaginary friend or enemies scary at all. cbayer Jan 2014 #14

This president has, to my knowledge, made no statements about being guided by god's voice. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15

Oh, so you are only talking about religious people who say their actions cbayer Jan 2014 #17

We apparently define 'relationship' differently. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #20

How do you define it? cbayer Jan 2014 #22

Two-way communication at least. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #24

And how do you define "communication"? cbayer Jan 2014 #25

Nouns 1-4 in this case. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #30

So if someone reports that there is "something imparted, interchanged, or transmitted" cbayer Jan 2014 #32

And be worried. Yes. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

Again, what would you worry about? cbayer Jan 2014 #41

I've answered that question multiple times. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #49

We are in agreement. I think we have to be extremely vigilant about cbayer Jan 2014 #57

I can't even craft a search query that might reveal if he's made any claims about that AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #16

He has made statements about praying every day and that his religious beliefs cbayer Jan 2014 #18

If he thinks he gets a response AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #19

I think "response" is a pretty broad term. cbayer Jan 2014 #21

Nuance, indeed. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #23

Do you know anyone who has said they have received a "celestial fax"? cbayer Jan 2014 #26

Yes I do, and yes I would. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #29

What are you fearful of? cbayer Jan 2014 #31

What worries me? People in positions of power acting on moral authority from AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #35

Your definition keeps getting narrower, which is a good thing. cbayer Jan 2014 #38

Agreed on both points. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #39

I want you to understand my objection to the term. cbayer Jan 2014 #43

It is not a slur. It's an accurate description of the situation from a secular point of view. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #46

I'm going to only say this once more, then I am through. cbayer Jan 2014 #50

I didn't call them delusional. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53

"Delusional" is not the same as "mentally ill" trotsky Jan 2014 #60

Helter Skelter. PassingFair Jan 2014 #105

Helter Skelter? As in Charles Manson? cbayer Jan 2014 #106

Since the topic is exorcism, this is about 'enemies' that such believers think control people muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #33

I think it's more a metaphor, but I think that about a lot of religious ritual. cbayer Jan 2014 #34

As you said, it's a symptom of a mental illness muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #36

No, I didn't say that. cbayer Jan 2014 #40

"people with serious psychiatric disorders, like schizophrenia" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #42

You would be hard pressed to find any psychiatric professional who cbayer Jan 2014 #44

You think "demon exorcists" are the "people who understand what it is"? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #45

I don't believe in possession by demons, but I understand it as a metaphor. cbayer Jan 2014 #48

The CIA used confessions to spy on people. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #51

"recommending that people seek medical attention" is not diagnosing them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #52

Certainly it is. cbayer Jan 2014 #55

"a growing team" - they're adding to them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #59

It is you that has the complaint, not them. cbayer Jan 2014 #62

I forgot about this part. cbayer Jan 2014 #65

They 'require it' but do not always follow said guideline. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #69

I think, but am not sure, that one of the purposes of the new initiative is cbayer Jan 2014 #71

In that sense, I suppose that is helpful. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

I appreciate your last several posts on this and I think we agree for the most part. cbayer Jan 2014 #88

I'm sorry that we vehemently disagree on some things and then AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #91

I'm not that different from you in that regard. cbayer Jan 2014 #92

"a growing team" goldent Jan 2014 #86

The Telegraph, a conservative, pro-Catholic newspaper: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #87

Yeah, I have become more skeptical of reported news goldent Jan 2014 #99

You're not a catholic. Catholics believe in exorcism. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #54

No, it does not concern me unless there is some evidence that it is cbayer Jan 2014 #56

Sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #58

Those are anecdotes. I asked for data. cbayer Jan 2014 #61

There is zero scientific data showing ghosts or demons exist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #63

That's true. There is no data about ghosts and demons. cbayer Jan 2014 #64

An anecdote IS a piece of evidence. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #66

It is a small, unverifiable, unrepeatable piece of information. cbayer Jan 2014 #67

Vaccines have caused immense harm AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #68

Oopsie. Didn't realize your position on this. cbayer Jan 2014 #70

Just in case there was a misunderstanding, let me summarize in parting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #72

This thread would be amazing, stunning, instead it is normal. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #74

I haven't really read it. What is stunning? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #75

Exorcism being defended? Seriously? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #76

I see no one has ever levitated in front of you or puked green stuff on you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #77

I think it is charlatanism preying on desperate people. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #78

What if they are getting medical attention and the doctors say an exorcism can't hurt? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #80

What if the doctor is a Vatican approved exorcism friendly shithead? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #81

Vatican doctors usually are good. They can pay for them. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #82

What other bullshit "medicine" are you a fan of? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #83

Laying on hands in my church is a priest saying healing prayers over a sick person. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #84

"The study also found that patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse" AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

So. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #94

I thought it was self-explanatory. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #95

It was. ut what does it have to do with laying on of hands? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #96

Saying "saying healing prayers over a sick person" sounds a lot like AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

People who get laying on hands askfor it or the families ask for it because the person would have hrmjustin Jan 2014 #98

Understood. I think that probably refers to the AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #100

Not always but most of the time. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #101

There are no people who understand what it 'is'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #47

I would be extremely worried if I found out they believed in demonic possession. PassingFair Jan 2014 #103

Do you know what happened during the exorcism? cbayer Jan 2014 #104

No. PassingFair Jan 2014 #107

One of the guidelines is that people have to have cbayer Jan 2014 #108

How could any exorcism edhopper Jan 2014 #109

Also...any adult that believes themselves to be "possessed"... PassingFair Jan 2014 #110

No, they are not mentally ill by definition. cbayer Jan 2014 #112

So are you claiming that it's possible to be possessed? trotsky Jan 2014 #113

There it is. PassingFair Jan 2014 #114

There is what? cbayer Jan 2014 #115

No, she is not. She doesnt make claims, remember? cleanhippie Jan 2014 #116

Well, there was a recent claim that science promotes genocide, because hitler. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #117

Well, yeah. Everyone knows that. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #118

Frankly, I've met more than a few "therapists" in my day that I think cbayer Jan 2014 #111

Call me when they send the exorcists to Wall Street. hedgehog Jan 2014 #27

++++ Cleita Jan 2014 #28

Yeah. All the "old" exorcists don't have the whole Skyping exorcism thing down. Lint Head Jan 2014 #79

That's so fucking idiotic. Evoman Jan 2014 #85

Well, I'm so happy to see that this church has moved on from its medieval mindset. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #89