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AtheistCrusader

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53. What for?

Mon Jan 20, 2014, 06:07 AM

Jan 2014

If norse mythology could have been reconciled to a 1800's-era understanding of how the universe works, would that have been a good thing?

Why?

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Neil deGrasse Tyson: Science and Religion Are Not �Reconcilable,� So Stop Trying [View all] cbayer Jan 2014 OP

I believe in both and think they can live together in peace. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #1

I think his point is that they can live side by side, just as you state. cbayer Jan 2014 #2

I can agree th at religion does not belong in science. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #3

Sunday school teacher here, and I agree. Of course it's "figurative." villager Jan 2014 #5

NDT has never been an enemy of religion cbayer Jan 2014 #6

Hell yes it should be kept out of science classrooms! villager Jan 2014 #9

I would like to see more religion taught in academic settings. cbayer Jan 2014 #10

Actually, I think science has its place in *religion* classes... villager Jan 2014 #11

How do you use science in your Sunday school classes? cbayer Jan 2014 #12

I agree that religion should not influence science. But religious people should learn more science Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #18

And in some cases, I think that scientists might benefit from learning more about religion. cbayer Jan 2014 #19

The opening stanzas of Genesis, for example, are a kind of poetic version of The Big Bang villager Jan 2014 #21

That's really interesting. cbayer Jan 2014 #23

Why... thanks! villager Jan 2014 #24

It's a great thing you are doing. cbayer Jan 2014 #26

Hmm... that's a thought villager Jan 2014 #29

What for? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53

I don't understand what you are saying here. cbayer Jan 2014 #56

I'm asking why you think it's a good thing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #60

As I explained, anything that encourages religious people, cbayer Jan 2014 #61

There are elements of Norse Mythology rooted in metaphor. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #62

I like Norse mythology. cbayer Jan 2014 #64

I also enjoyed all three mythologies. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #67

I was fortunate to have formal education in the mythologies at a very young age. cbayer Jan 2014 #70

Really!? longship Jan 2014 #28

If you are hung up on the stories being "true," in an absolute sense, I can see your problem villager Jan 2014 #30

I will grant you that but not that it matches the Big Bang in any way. Updated longship Jan 2014 #34

Enjoy your adamancy! villager Jan 2014 #41

The only claim I am making is that the Bible is not a science textbook. longship Jan 2014 #42

Speaking of straw men, I never made that claim! villager Jan 2014 #43

"Being 100% correct in all things, at all times, must be cool!" longship Jan 2014 #44

And again, I never said it was a science textbook. Are you that incapable of truly "hearing" people? villager Jan 2014 #46

There is both good and bad in the Bible. longship Jan 2014 #47

Thanks for a more thoughtful reply this time. There is indeed both good and bad in it villager Jan 2014 #48

I want to ditch my King James. longship Jan 2014 #49

Robert Alter is another good recent translator.... villager Jan 2014 #50

Rather curious... gcomeau Jan 2014 #58

curious which parts you mean specifically! villager Jan 2014 #59

Well, for example... gcomeau Jan 2014 #66

Land first, then water? cbayer Jan 2014 #68

Are you talking about the evolutionary timeline? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #71

My misremembering, I am sure. cbayer Jan 2014 #72

There is no point in the history of the earth... gcomeau Jan 2014 #73

Well, I think the land/water issue is a matter of definition. cbayer Jan 2014 #74

in terms of life evolving, water was first, before land... villager Jan 2014 #69

No, they aren't a poetic version of the Big Bang, they are an inaccurate accounting... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #107

Religion should only be in religious classes. Myth literature can be taught as such on point Jan 2014 #78

I think there is general agreement on this site that religion should be cbayer Jan 2014 #79

Fine distinction. Religion in philosophy and religious class, but myth elsewhere on point Jan 2014 #81

You are free to call it whatever you want, but most of cbayer Jan 2014 #83

Ahh, but they do call it myth or fiction. Just ask the Greeks or Egyptians, or Vikings on point Jan 2014 #86

If current beliefs do become myths, and I can't argue that they won't cbayer Jan 2014 #87

So your argument is that people cannot live in a non delusional state? on point Jan 2014 #88

Uh oh...you used the word "delusional" Heddi Jan 2014 #89

Delusion by DEFINITION is belief in something that doesn't exist. on point Jan 2014 #93

Yes, but when you use it in the way you have, you must provide evidence that it doesn't exist. cbayer Jan 2014 #96

When people today believe they can walk on water, science shows their belief is false; delusional Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #97

That is correct. cbayer Jan 2014 #99

What an absurd, arbitrary demand. trotsky Jan 2014 #98

Most people do live in a non-delusional state. cbayer Jan 2014 #90

If your foundation point is that people need to understand the world around them on point Jan 2014 #91

That may be clear to you, but it's not demonstrable. cbayer Jan 2014 #92

Some people do need religious fantasy to cope with things and that helps them sometimes on point Jan 2014 #94

Dogma, dogma and more dogma. cbayer Jan 2014 #95

Faith is the antithesis of reason..it's really just that simple. skepticscott Jan 2014 #4

frankly, it makes their rationality suspect.... mike_c Jan 2014 #7

While scientists as a whole report less religiosity than the general public, cbayer Jan 2014 #8

even the PEW Research Center acknowledges the shortcomings of that poll.... mike_c Jan 2014 #13

There are always shortcomings when one is trying to measure religiosity, but cbayer Jan 2014 #16

a survey of the National Academy of Sciences found only 7% who professed belief.... mike_c Jan 2014 #22

Lol!! So you are making the case that NAS scientists are "greater" than other scientists? cbayer Jan 2014 #25

cbayer, this is unseemly.... mike_c Jan 2014 #27

Unseemly? Snark? cbayer Jan 2014 #31

I think you're trying to change the subject.... mike_c Jan 2014 #33

Not really, I just can't get past your extreme position and deal directly, or cbayer Jan 2014 #35

Well done, mike_c. trotsky Jan 2014 #75

Mike C: Thanks for your input! Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #54

But finally the Bible suggests problems with faith and belief. And tells us to "test everything" Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #20

K&R flying rabbit Jan 2014 #14

One of the bedrock foundations of science... krispos42 Jan 2014 #15

Hey Buddy!! How the heck have you been? cbayer Jan 2014 #17

Hello cbayer! krispos42 Jan 2014 #45

"Gungeon is quiet".... rdharma Jan 2014 #51

Hey, you can always appeal. krispos42 Jan 2014 #109

No thanks. I've seen your so-called "appeal" process. rdharma Jan 2014 #110

You mean where the regulars debated reinstatement and I followed their consensus? n/t krispos42 Jan 2014 #111

You do realize that 5 of your "regulars" that voiced their opinions.... rdharma Jan 2014 #112

So, if I am following this right, you have a girlfriend, a job and are staring school this week. cbayer Jan 2014 #55

Yeah.converting all my engineering school credits into some form of degree krispos42 Jan 2014 #108

I think they can, but thats just my opinion. Lobo27 Jan 2014 #32

I think there are many who share your position. cbayer Jan 2014 #37

Thanks for sharing about the book Lobo27 Jan 2014 #39

Let me know what you think of it. cbayer Jan 2014 #40

"Reconcilable"? demwing Jan 2014 #36

I believe that science is what God uses to make his/her miracles happen! TheDebbieDee Jan 2014 #38

Like oil and water! immoderate Jan 2014 #52

H. L. Mencken edhopper Jan 2014 #57

I disagree with that Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #63

I don't think he is saying that you can't do both. cbayer Jan 2014 #65

As a Jew, I believe that religion and science are not exclusive Gothmog Jan 2014 #76

Good reading. cbayer Jan 2014 #77

You may find this interesting Gothmog Jan 2014 #80

Interestingly, the only person I know well and personally who clings to the cbayer Jan 2014 #82

Have fun Gothmog Jan 2014 #84

I am a big fan of NDT. cbayer Jan 2014 #85

"There is no possibility whatsoever of reconciling science and theology, at least in Christendom. edhopper Jan 2014 #100

I love this guy! catbyte Jan 2014 #101

And he will have a new series this year. cbayer Jan 2014 #102

As Richard Feynman put it: "Shut up and calculate." DetlefK Jan 2014 #103

Your post got me to look up some of his quotes. cbayer Jan 2014 #104

Make no mistake edhopper Jan 2014 #105

I see that, but he also said (in the interview to which I think you refer) cbayer Jan 2014 #106