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AtheistCrusader

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67. I also enjoyed all three mythologies.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

In fact, I read them extensively, by happenstance of what sort of books I picked up and read out of the Young Readers series, I think from Readers Digest or some similar publisher.

In retrospect, I consider it an inoculation against what I later read in the bible. While I enjoyed the stories, somewhat, I took very little away from them, aside a general incredulousness toward other metaphysical/supernatural source claims. Possible I would have been unimpressed by the bible otherwise, but I recall my first awareness of the bible being direct conflict with the question 'why is this claimed to be real, when these others are not'.


But I don't think much of my day to day life or persona reflects anything from those stories. They were just stories. No more informative, than Shakespeare or anything else I've read.

The only door any of it opened for me was marked 'exit'.


I realize there are deeper correlation issues in that data, very core, cultural correlation issues that are difficult to measure. Still, I found the TYPE of god people believed in being at least loosely correlated to the data, very interesting. (Specifically, the bit about people who believed in a forgiving/salvation path god being more violent than the people of the unforgiving old-testament-gangsta style being less violent, without even broaching the question of secularism.)

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I believe in both and think they can live together in peace. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #1
I think his point is that they can live side by side, just as you state. cbayer Jan 2014 #2
I can agree th at religion does not belong in science. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #3
Sunday school teacher here, and I agree. Of course it's "figurative." villager Jan 2014 #5
NDT has never been an enemy of religion cbayer Jan 2014 #6
Hell yes it should be kept out of science classrooms! villager Jan 2014 #9
I would like to see more religion taught in academic settings. cbayer Jan 2014 #10
Actually, I think science has its place in *religion* classes... villager Jan 2014 #11
How do you use science in your Sunday school classes? cbayer Jan 2014 #12
I agree that religion should not influence science. But religious people should learn more science Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #18
And in some cases, I think that scientists might benefit from learning more about religion. cbayer Jan 2014 #19
The opening stanzas of Genesis, for example, are a kind of poetic version of The Big Bang villager Jan 2014 #21
That's really interesting. cbayer Jan 2014 #23
Why... thanks! villager Jan 2014 #24
It's a great thing you are doing. cbayer Jan 2014 #26
Hmm... that's a thought villager Jan 2014 #29
What for? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53
I don't understand what you are saying here. cbayer Jan 2014 #56
I'm asking why you think it's a good thing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #60
As I explained, anything that encourages religious people, cbayer Jan 2014 #61
There are elements of Norse Mythology rooted in metaphor. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #62
I like Norse mythology. cbayer Jan 2014 #64
I also enjoyed all three mythologies. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #67
I was fortunate to have formal education in the mythologies at a very young age. cbayer Jan 2014 #70
Really!? longship Jan 2014 #28
If you are hung up on the stories being "true," in an absolute sense, I can see your problem villager Jan 2014 #30
I will grant you that but not that it matches the Big Bang in any way. Updated longship Jan 2014 #34
Enjoy your adamancy! villager Jan 2014 #41
The only claim I am making is that the Bible is not a science textbook. longship Jan 2014 #42
Speaking of straw men, I never made that claim! villager Jan 2014 #43
"Being 100% correct in all things, at all times, must be cool!" longship Jan 2014 #44
And again, I never said it was a science textbook. Are you that incapable of truly "hearing" people? villager Jan 2014 #46
There is both good and bad in the Bible. longship Jan 2014 #47
Thanks for a more thoughtful reply this time. There is indeed both good and bad in it villager Jan 2014 #48
I want to ditch my King James. longship Jan 2014 #49
Robert Alter is another good recent translator.... villager Jan 2014 #50
Rather curious... gcomeau Jan 2014 #58
curious which parts you mean specifically! villager Jan 2014 #59
Well, for example... gcomeau Jan 2014 #66
Land first, then water? cbayer Jan 2014 #68
Are you talking about the evolutionary timeline? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #71
My misremembering, I am sure. cbayer Jan 2014 #72
There is no point in the history of the earth... gcomeau Jan 2014 #73
Well, I think the land/water issue is a matter of definition. cbayer Jan 2014 #74
in terms of life evolving, water was first, before land... villager Jan 2014 #69
No, they aren't a poetic version of the Big Bang, they are an inaccurate accounting... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #107
Religion should only be in religious classes. Myth literature can be taught as such on point Jan 2014 #78
I think there is general agreement on this site that religion should be cbayer Jan 2014 #79
Fine distinction. Religion in philosophy and religious class, but myth elsewhere on point Jan 2014 #81
You are free to call it whatever you want, but most of cbayer Jan 2014 #83
Ahh, but they do call it myth or fiction. Just ask the Greeks or Egyptians, or Vikings on point Jan 2014 #86
If current beliefs do become myths, and I can't argue that they won't cbayer Jan 2014 #87
So your argument is that people cannot live in a non delusional state? on point Jan 2014 #88
Uh oh...you used the word "delusional" Heddi Jan 2014 #89
Delusion by DEFINITION is belief in something that doesn't exist. on point Jan 2014 #93
Yes, but when you use it in the way you have, you must provide evidence that it doesn't exist. cbayer Jan 2014 #96
When people today believe they can walk on water, science shows their belief is false; delusional Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #97
That is correct. cbayer Jan 2014 #99
What an absurd, arbitrary demand. trotsky Jan 2014 #98
Most people do live in a non-delusional state. cbayer Jan 2014 #90
If your foundation point is that people need to understand the world around them on point Jan 2014 #91
That may be clear to you, but it's not demonstrable. cbayer Jan 2014 #92
Some people do need religious fantasy to cope with things and that helps them sometimes on point Jan 2014 #94
Dogma, dogma and more dogma. cbayer Jan 2014 #95
Faith is the antithesis of reason..it's really just that simple. skepticscott Jan 2014 #4
frankly, it makes their rationality suspect.... mike_c Jan 2014 #7
While scientists as a whole report less religiosity than the general public, cbayer Jan 2014 #8
even the PEW Research Center acknowledges the shortcomings of that poll.... mike_c Jan 2014 #13
There are always shortcomings when one is trying to measure religiosity, but cbayer Jan 2014 #16
a survey of the National Academy of Sciences found only 7% who professed belief.... mike_c Jan 2014 #22
Lol!! So you are making the case that NAS scientists are "greater" than other scientists? cbayer Jan 2014 #25
cbayer, this is unseemly.... mike_c Jan 2014 #27
Unseemly? Snark? cbayer Jan 2014 #31
I think you're trying to change the subject.... mike_c Jan 2014 #33
Not really, I just can't get past your extreme position and deal directly, or cbayer Jan 2014 #35
Well done, mike_c. trotsky Jan 2014 #75
Mike C: Thanks for your input! Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #54
But finally the Bible suggests problems with faith and belief. And tells us to "test everything" Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #20
K&R flying rabbit Jan 2014 #14
One of the bedrock foundations of science... krispos42 Jan 2014 #15
Hey Buddy!! How the heck have you been? cbayer Jan 2014 #17
Hello cbayer! krispos42 Jan 2014 #45
"Gungeon is quiet".... rdharma Jan 2014 #51
Hey, you can always appeal. krispos42 Jan 2014 #109
No thanks. I've seen your so-called "appeal" process. rdharma Jan 2014 #110
You mean where the regulars debated reinstatement and I followed their consensus? n/t krispos42 Jan 2014 #111
You do realize that 5 of your "regulars" that voiced their opinions.... rdharma Jan 2014 #112
So, if I am following this right, you have a girlfriend, a job and are staring school this week. cbayer Jan 2014 #55
Yeah.converting all my engineering school credits into some form of degree krispos42 Jan 2014 #108
I think they can, but thats just my opinion. Lobo27 Jan 2014 #32
I think there are many who share your position. cbayer Jan 2014 #37
Thanks for sharing about the book Lobo27 Jan 2014 #39
Let me know what you think of it. cbayer Jan 2014 #40
"Reconcilable"? demwing Jan 2014 #36
I believe that science is what God uses to make his/her miracles happen! TheDebbieDee Jan 2014 #38
Like oil and water! immoderate Jan 2014 #52
H. L. Mencken edhopper Jan 2014 #57
I disagree with that Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #63
I don't think he is saying that you can't do both. cbayer Jan 2014 #65
As a Jew, I believe that religion and science are not exclusive Gothmog Jan 2014 #76
Good reading. cbayer Jan 2014 #77
You may find this interesting Gothmog Jan 2014 #80
Interestingly, the only person I know well and personally who clings to the cbayer Jan 2014 #82
Have fun Gothmog Jan 2014 #84
I am a big fan of NDT. cbayer Jan 2014 #85
"There is no possibility whatsoever of reconciling science and theology, at least in Christendom. edhopper Jan 2014 #100
I love this guy! catbyte Jan 2014 #101
And he will have a new series this year. cbayer Jan 2014 #102
As Richard Feynman put it: "Shut up and calculate." DetlefK Jan 2014 #103
Your post got me to look up some of his quotes. cbayer Jan 2014 #104
Make no mistake edhopper Jan 2014 #105
I see that, but he also said (in the interview to which I think you refer) cbayer Jan 2014 #106
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