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gcomeau

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84. ...and never refuted.

Reply to cbayer (Reply #23)

Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:13 PM

Jan 2014

(Appeals to what Neil Degrasse Tyson says are not a refutation. He can be wrong too, and on this he is. That simple.)

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You're Not Agnostic, You're An Atheist [View all] cbayer Jan 2014 OP

Article and premise doesn't make much sense. vi5 Jan 2014 #1

YES... I don't get that either... hlthe2b Jan 2014 #2

Excellent point. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #5

Oh, tacky, you're not still mad about being blocked from that group are you? cleanhippie Jan 2014 #9

every few months I clean out my ignore file demwing Jan 2014 #26

Do you feel better now? cleanhippie Jan 2014 #27

As a host here told me skepticscott Jan 2014 #66

That's just not true. Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #42

What on earth are you talking about? Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #68

Since no one here skepticscott Jan 2014 #70

I agree that they are a separate group. cbayer Jan 2014 #6

Well, words have meanings. Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #43

I had to read it a couple of times to get what I think is his point. cbayer Jan 2014 #4

Assuming they also reject the idea criteria that God (ultimate reality) is uknown and unknowable Android3.14 Jan 2014 #126

I've not heard the definition of god as the ultimate reality and cbayer Jan 2014 #127

How would they know if they were having a religious experience? Android3.14 Jan 2014 #128

Not so sure. Many people have religious experiences during cbayer Jan 2014 #129

I'm thinking we probably agree Android3.14 Jan 2014 #135

That's close to my entire take on religion. cbayer Jan 2014 #140

"But I think he is saying that if you call yourself an agnostic, then one would expect you to want djean111 Jan 2014 #130

I agree with you. Many are pretty apathetic on the entire topic, cbayer Jan 2014 #131

I think the author is talking about function. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #77

I do not have a belief in God lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #3

Do you have a belief skepticscott Jan 2014 #11

Not believing in a god is the same as believing there is no god? cleanhippie Jan 2014 #20

no, not what I said. lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #21

It appears that you did. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #24

I'll try to do this again, this time with symbolic logic lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #38

I, too, do not have a belief in any gods. trotsky Jan 2014 #45

I am without god beliefs. PassingFair Jan 2014 #59

Exactly. An Agnostic can be a theist. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #75

Ahem... gcomeau Jan 2014 #83

That depends entirely on what definition one chooses and there are several. cbayer Jan 2014 #88

By those definitions, pretty much everyone is an "atheist", except most atheists skepticscott Jan 2014 #90

Let me put that another way gcomeau Jan 2014 #92

Well, as you know, I don't agree with you. cbayer Jan 2014 #97

"Atheism indicates a disbelief or denial." trotsky Jan 2014 #98

And have never presented a valid reason for disagreeing. gcomeau Jan 2014 #101

No, just haven't presented one that makes a dent in your strongly cbayer Jan 2014 #102

Knowing what people mean... gcomeau Jan 2014 #104

So what do you think people mean when they say they are agnostic, but cbayer Jan 2014 #106

For cripes sake... gcomeau Jan 2014 #107

I don't willfully block it out, I just don't agree with you. cbayer Jan 2014 #109

Uh-huh... gcomeau Jan 2014 #111

Honestly, I feel like I am discussing religion with a one wayer at this point. cbayer Jan 2014 #112

Yet more sighs... gcomeau Jan 2014 #113

No, apparently this crusade means far more to you, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 #114

Hmmmmm - my near death experience is what made me an atheist! djean111 Jan 2014 #151

Please stop trying to tell me, an atheist, what I think. trotsky Jan 2014 #94

I'm way beyond agnostic, and not an athiest.... Uben Jan 2014 #7

Really interesting take and adds credence to my feeling cbayer Jan 2014 #8

Yes, I believe evolution does play a part Uben Jan 2014 #13

I have long believed that there is no way we are top of the evolutionary food chain. cbayer Jan 2014 #14

I concur.... Uben Jan 2014 #15

Good point. cbayer Jan 2014 #16

I'm sure we don't know all forms that exist..... Uben Jan 2014 #18

I definitely agree that what we know is much less than what we don't know. cbayer Jan 2014 #19

If you don't believe in any gods, you're an atheist skepticscott Jan 2014 #10

Even Christians are atheists. They just don't believe in one less god than us. cleanhippie Jan 2014 #12

Unfortunately there are some who still hate the word so much... trotsky Jan 2014 #17

Oh boy. Here we go again. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #22

That argument has been made over and over again here, but cbayer Jan 2014 #23

Does it also boggle your mind, cbayer skepticscott Jan 2014 #25

That's fine. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #32

No, I'm not wrong, I just see it differently. cbayer Jan 2014 #35

I think you mean semantics... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #46

Ok, semantics. cbayer Jan 2014 #47

Besides you and your mate, I don't know ANYONE who disagrees with it. PassingFair Jan 2014 #61

I'm glad it works for you and am surprised that you don't know anyone cbayer Jan 2014 #62

Your "hero" is afraid of the brand. PassingFair Jan 2014 #63

Well so says one blogger, who I generally like but cbayer Jan 2014 #64

Nothing to lose? You really can't believe that. skepticscott Jan 2014 #93

I don't think the meaning of words is determined by some kind of proof of logic, is it? eomer Jan 2014 #123

No, you're not correct. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #137

Sure, but none of which is relevant to this discussion. eomer Jan 2014 #150

There are literally millions of Americans, cbayer... trotsky Jan 2014 #37

...and never refuted. gcomeau Jan 2014 #84

Repeatedly refuted, just not to the satisfaction of those who have adopted it as dogma. cbayer Jan 2014 #89

Denial is not refutation. -eom gcomeau Jan 2014 #96

No it's not. And insistence is not veracity. -eom cbayer Jan 2014 #100

I've always found the term "agnostic" to be over-complicating. arcane1 Jan 2014 #28

Because some people may vacillate or simply don't know whether they believe or not. cbayer Jan 2014 #29

Sorry, bullshit skepticscott Jan 2014 #34

You don't get to define atheism, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 #60

I think therefore there is a God? Not denying. Just a question. Religion and spirituality is a Lint Head Jan 2014 #30

I think that is part of the argument the author is making. cbayer Jan 2014 #31

To be 'sure' of something based on a guess, faith or belief is a fools errand. Lint Head Jan 2014 #36

To say nothing of the search for a god. cbayer Jan 2014 #40

For Christians: if God "fills all things," then with luck, whatever you do will have God in it Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #33

I have the right drmeow Jan 2014 #39

I agree with you. You have the right to resist any labels and only you cbayer Jan 2014 #41

There seems to be some confusion drmeow Jan 2014 #48

I'm not sure what you are saying. cbayer Jan 2014 #49

Sorry - you're right, I wasn't very clear drmeow Jan 2014 #52

I agree with your distinction. cbayer Jan 2014 #53

Sounds like we drmeow Jan 2014 #55

Meh is the correct answer for me. cbayer Jan 2014 #58

RESIST LABELS!!! trotsky Jan 2014 #56

What is fascinating to me drmeow Jan 2014 #134

Well I guess the important thing is that you got some personal insults in. trotsky Jan 2014 #138

Your drmeow Jan 2014 #141

That's been going on here for quite a while. cbayer Jan 2014 #139

Well, I've been around DU drmeow Jan 2014 #148

I'm glad that you have found your space here. cbayer Jan 2014 #149

I come to DU drmeow Feb 2014 #152

Some of us just like to see the truth recognized skepticscott Jan 2014 #145

As noted, you can skepticscott Jan 2014 #44

Am I allowed to drmeow Jan 2014 #50

Let's parse this apart a bit. Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #51

What you are saying drmeow Jan 2014 #54

Well you could Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #57

Obviously you are skepticscott Jan 2014 #65

You are operating under the assumption drmeow Jan 2014 #67

The flaw in all of your thinking skepticscott Jan 2014 #71

There is no such thing drmeow Jan 2014 #133

I didn't go to psychology school skepticscott Jan 2014 #144

True... gcomeau Jan 2014 #85

Ah, but there are alternatives to those two categories. cbayer Jan 2014 #91

No there are not. gcomeau Jan 2014 #95

So you hold the truth and all those that disagree with you cbayer Jan 2014 #99

Sigh... gcomeau Jan 2014 #103

And I think your logic is faulty. cbayer Jan 2014 #105

It's not "my" logic. It's a basic logical law. gcomeau Jan 2014 #108

But you're the one telling others that your definitions can't be challenged, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 #110

How does one avoid making a label? LostOne4Ever Jan 2014 #69

Think of it this way skepticscott Jan 2014 #73

I think there are things you can do. cbayer Jan 2014 #74

I would argue that atheists are TRYING to take it back. trotsky Jan 2014 #76

The point? Maybe this: many who think they are "agnostics," are really atheists Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #72

I tend to find few things more disrespectful TDale313 Jan 2014 #78

skepticscott has the best counterexample to this objection. trotsky Jan 2014 #79

I think the religionists skepticscott Jan 2014 #87

IMO, it generally TDale313 Jan 2014 #119

So your answer to my question is....? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #120

What a shock skepticscott Jan 2014 #122

Ok, short answer? Yes. TDale313 Jan 2014 #132

Ah I think we're getting somewhere. trotsky Jan 2014 #136

No, I wouldn't be offended to be called a Dem TDale313 Jan 2014 #142

So you agree that terms can be used accurately, trotsky Jan 2014 #143

Not quite, although I know it can be read that way. TDale313 Jan 2014 #146

Certainly I think the definitions for words like Democrat or Christian... trotsky Jan 2014 #147

I agree with you. You have the right to resist any labels and only you cbayer Jan 2014 #80

Ah, you mean like you use the label "anti-theist" to marginalize others and suit your agenda! trotsky Jan 2014 #82

Oh, you mean like skepticscott Jan 2014 #86

Hi, I'm goblinmonger. I'm a conservative Roman Catholic. Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #81

This has always confused me and I'd love clarification (I admit, I haven't read every nirvana555 Jan 2014 #115

Do you KNOW there is no Santa Claus? skepticscott Jan 2014 #116

You are likely to get a variety of answers to this question, but it's a good one. cbayer Jan 2014 #117

Here's what I believe is a very simple distinction between the two Goblinmonger Jan 2014 #118

There's a reason some hate that chart. It reveals something they don't like to think about. trotsky Jan 2014 #121

Correction, you are a monger of goblins, nasty little devils. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #124

Oh woe is you skepticscott Jan 2014 #125