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AtheistCrusader

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53. OR, one could point to nations like Albania that were both

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:57 PM

Jan 2014

atheist and persecuted gays, that no longer do so.

One might even wonder if the fact that they had a secular government led to a cultural shift.
Contrast to one that did not survive the formerly atheistic government of Russia/USSR's failure, where the state is no longer officially atheistic, AND it persecutes GLBT's who dare to even speak out about their sexual identity.

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Church of England�s call for dialogue on gays rebuffed in Africa [View all] hrmjustin Jan 2014 OP

The anti-gay hatred and persecution in Uganda okasha Jan 2014 #1

I wish the central African Anglicans did not buy into it. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #2

Impossible skepticscott Jan 2014 #3

Are there atheists that hate gays? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #5

Yes. rug Jan 2014 #13

Argument from anecdote. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #36

Take it up with Zinnia. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss her experiences. rug Jan 2014 #69

And she shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the hard evidence she herself expounded on at the be AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #71

Bullshit. She's recountinmg her own experiences and you're proving her point. rug Jan 2014 #72

Her experiences are anecdotal, as are mine. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #76

You shouldn't dismiss observations so easily. There are plenty of them. rug Jan 2014 #77

It's like we aren't speaking the same language. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #78

We're not. You don't like what she says so you dimiss them as anecdotes. rug Jan 2014 #81

THEY ARE ANECDOTES. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #83

Don't you see that an anecdote is a observation shared? rug Jan 2014 #84

She states they are JUST AS LIKELY and then supports that with AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #85

Sorry, the point has been made several times now. rug Jan 2014 #86

It doesn't change your comprehension of the point, that's for sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #87

The point is there is nothing about atheism that makes a person gay friendly or homophobic. rug Jan 2014 #88

Nope, you don't get to backpedal for her. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #89

How condescending of you. I daresay she needs no one to speak for her. rug Jan 2014 #90

I didn't say she needed you to backpedal for her. It was presumptious of you to try. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #91

There is nothing inherent in either belief or lack of belief that would lead one cbayer Jan 2014 #92

Are you going to ignore the compile of studies and surveys I just linked? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

Yes, I am going to dismiss a "study" in which the author cbayer Jan 2014 #94

Religion and quasi-religious attributes of secular ideologies are not the same thing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #95

Nah, they are entirely different things and he can't distinguish them apparently. cbayer Jan 2014 #96

Nope. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

I would agree that it's probably less prevalent based on the statistics supporting cbayer Jan 2014 #98

Huh? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #99

Sure, you can extrapolate all you want. cbayer Jan 2014 #100

But there's no rational basis for that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #101

Here is where I think you are making you big logical error. cbayer Jan 2014 #103

It's like you read half of what I write. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #105

No, I read everything you write. cbayer Jan 2014 #107

Yet you have managed to misconstrue just about everything. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #109

'I don't believe in god, but I believe in this document that says god is real' AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #102

Wait, are you calling me a concern troll? cbayer Jan 2014 #104

Post 100 sure sounds like it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #106

You just don't like what I am saying and disagree with it. cbayer Jan 2014 #108

You have attributed false positions to me, multiple times. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #110

I apologize. cbayer Jan 2014 #113

I have had the displeasure okasha Feb 2014 #116

Sorry to hear that. rug Feb 2014 #117

Buenas noches, rug. okasha Feb 2014 #120

Are there individual atheists who hate gays? I'm sure there are. And bird watchers and chefs, too. skepticscott Jan 2014 #15

The Soviet Union persecuted gays and they were an atheistic state. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #16

The Soviet Union persecuted many groups of people skepticscott Jan 2014 #17

The point is that atheists can be just as homophobic as believers. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #18

Actually, the Soviet Union liberalized attitudes toward homosexuality... trotsky Jan 2014 #21

That doesn't negate the fact that atheisst can be just as homophobic. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #23

You ignored what I said. trotsky Jan 2014 #25

Atheism as a movement does not teach homophobia. I agree. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #26

Which of course was not my claim. n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #27

I know that. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #28

Be intellectually honest here skepticscott Jan 2014 #31

I am not making any lists. You can do that. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #32

I tried to get you to be intellectually honest skepticscott Jan 2014 #33

Here. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #34

'are there' is present tense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #44

But there were at one point. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #47

The claim was present tense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #50

And bird watchers and stamp collectors can be just as homophobic skepticscott Jan 2014 #29

Agreed on atheistic organization but those atheistic goverments did. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #30

I don't understand why you're having so much difficulty with this Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #65

I am n8t having a hard time with this. I have stated atheism does not teach homophobia. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #66

Then why bring it up in the first place? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #75

What up? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #80

What were the political reasons? rug Jan 2014 #19

Great point! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #20

A Wikipedia search will tell you about China and Cuba. trotsky Jan 2014 #22

Currently or in the past? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #24

The Soviet Union substituted 'the party' for 'god'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

was the official policy of the state atheism? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #38

Uninteresting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #39

The rason I brought it up was because this was claimed hrmjustin Jan 2014 #40

Soviet government no longer exists. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #41

There were in the past. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #48

That was not the poster's claim. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jan 2014 #52

Yes I realize the tense that is why I asked the poster about the past tense. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #54

And do you realize that none of them still do? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #55

No I just did not know that they decriminalized being gay. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #57

They all have. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #59

I just want to make clear I don't think atheism teaches homophobia. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #60

Yes, but you did make some relevant claims. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #62

Well I have met them and they can be just as nasty as religious homophobes. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #64

I agree, culture is largely the source. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #67

The sad thing now is that the Russian Church pushed for these new bigoted laws. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #70

Yep, and with the failure of the USSR, Russia is no longer a atheistic state. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

Are there atheist-controlled governments persecuting gays? No. Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #42

And if I had used the past tense skepticscott Jan 2014 #43

Oh, I see Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #45

My question, which we all know you read, since you quoted it, was skepticscott Jan 2014 #46

But you agree that in the past there were atheist controlled governments hrmjustin Jan 2014 #49

See my posts skepticscott Jan 2014 #56

Simple question yes or no? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #58

As noted, it was already addressed in those posts. skepticscott Jan 2014 #61

I read your posts and I have my answer. thank you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #63

In other words skepticscott Jan 2014 #68

No your three posts answeresd my question. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #82

You'd already read those posts skepticscott Jan 2014 #111

I read them after my later response and saw I had my answer. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #112

No, you didn't. skepticscott Jan 2014 #114

Dishonest. I realized after you posted number 61 what you were talking about. I am sorry I got it hrmjustin Jan 2014 #115

You have more respect that just about anyone here, justin. cbayer Jan 2014 #74

Thanks. I was going to say I got the answer from his three posts like he said. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #79

You are saying there are none CURRENTLY doing so Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #121

OR, one could point to nations like Albania that were both AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53

There is a new documentary out about this. cbayer Jan 2014 #4

The central African Anglican Churches break my heart with their bigorty. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #6

It's a terrible situation. cbayer Jan 2014 #7

The anglicans in South Africa are more like the Episcopal Church. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #8

Was there any resolution to that? cbayer Jan 2014 #11

No it was all informal. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14

South Africa does a lot better muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #10

I haven't seen the documentary, okasha Feb 2014 #119

Why do the conservatives have this kind of influence in Africa? Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #9

Within the Anglican Communion it is because the low church Anglicans or more evangelical wing hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12

Goods and services Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #118

Not surprising at all. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #35