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cbayer

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103. Here is where I think you are making you big logical error.

Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:55 PM

Jan 2014

You think that all atheists are "by definition" rational about everything.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

While many may have come to their atheism through a process they consider rational, they are all deeply flawed human beings, just like every one else.

They have their own distortions, defense mechanisms, blind spots, backgrounds, indoctrinations, areas of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty as everyone else.

I've got them, you've got them and I've yet to meet a single person on earth who doesn't have them.

You think that homophobia comes only from the bible? You are incorrect. It comes from many places, just as all bigotry does.

Do you think that bigotry against fat people comes from the Bible? How about bigotry against red heads? Mentally retarded people?

And on and on.

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Church of England�s call for dialogue on gays rebuffed in Africa [View all] hrmjustin Jan 2014 OP

The anti-gay hatred and persecution in Uganda okasha Jan 2014 #1

I wish the central African Anglicans did not buy into it. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #2

Impossible skepticscott Jan 2014 #3

Are there atheists that hate gays? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #5

Yes. rug Jan 2014 #13

Argument from anecdote. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #36

Take it up with Zinnia. You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss her experiences. rug Jan 2014 #69

And she shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the hard evidence she herself expounded on at the be AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #71

Bullshit. She's recountinmg her own experiences and you're proving her point. rug Jan 2014 #72

Her experiences are anecdotal, as are mine. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #76

You shouldn't dismiss observations so easily. There are plenty of them. rug Jan 2014 #77

It's like we aren't speaking the same language. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #78

We're not. You don't like what she says so you dimiss them as anecdotes. rug Jan 2014 #81

THEY ARE ANECDOTES. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #83

Don't you see that an anecdote is a observation shared? rug Jan 2014 #84

She states they are JUST AS LIKELY and then supports that with AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #85

Sorry, the point has been made several times now. rug Jan 2014 #86

It doesn't change your comprehension of the point, that's for sure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #87

The point is there is nothing about atheism that makes a person gay friendly or homophobic. rug Jan 2014 #88

Nope, you don't get to backpedal for her. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #89

How condescending of you. I daresay she needs no one to speak for her. rug Jan 2014 #90

I didn't say she needed you to backpedal for her. It was presumptious of you to try. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #91

There is nothing inherent in either belief or lack of belief that would lead one cbayer Jan 2014 #92

Are you going to ignore the compile of studies and surveys I just linked? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

Yes, I am going to dismiss a "study" in which the author cbayer Jan 2014 #94

Religion and quasi-religious attributes of secular ideologies are not the same thing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #95

Nah, they are entirely different things and he can't distinguish them apparently. cbayer Jan 2014 #96

Nope. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

I would agree that it's probably less prevalent based on the statistics supporting cbayer Jan 2014 #98

Huh? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #99

Sure, you can extrapolate all you want. cbayer Jan 2014 #100

But there's no rational basis for that. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #101

Here is where I think you are making you big logical error. cbayer Jan 2014 #103

It's like you read half of what I write. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #105

No, I read everything you write. cbayer Jan 2014 #107

Yet you have managed to misconstrue just about everything. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #109

'I don't believe in god, but I believe in this document that says god is real' AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #102

Wait, are you calling me a concern troll? cbayer Jan 2014 #104

Post 100 sure sounds like it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #106

You just don't like what I am saying and disagree with it. cbayer Jan 2014 #108

You have attributed false positions to me, multiple times. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #110

I apologize. cbayer Jan 2014 #113

I have had the displeasure okasha Feb 2014 #116

Sorry to hear that. rug Feb 2014 #117

Buenas noches, rug. okasha Feb 2014 #120

Are there individual atheists who hate gays? I'm sure there are. And bird watchers and chefs, too. skepticscott Jan 2014 #15

The Soviet Union persecuted gays and they were an atheistic state. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #16

The Soviet Union persecuted many groups of people skepticscott Jan 2014 #17

The point is that atheists can be just as homophobic as believers. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #18

Actually, the Soviet Union liberalized attitudes toward homosexuality... trotsky Jan 2014 #21

That doesn't negate the fact that atheisst can be just as homophobic. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #23

You ignored what I said. trotsky Jan 2014 #25

Atheism as a movement does not teach homophobia. I agree. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #26

Which of course was not my claim. n/t trotsky Jan 2014 #27

I know that. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #28

Be intellectually honest here skepticscott Jan 2014 #31

I am not making any lists. You can do that. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #32

I tried to get you to be intellectually honest skepticscott Jan 2014 #33

Here. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #34

'are there' is present tense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #44

But there were at one point. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #47

The claim was present tense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #50

And bird watchers and stamp collectors can be just as homophobic skepticscott Jan 2014 #29

Agreed on atheistic organization but those atheistic goverments did. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #30

I don't understand why you're having so much difficulty with this Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #65

I am n8t having a hard time with this. I have stated atheism does not teach homophobia. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #66

Then why bring it up in the first place? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2014 #75

What up? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #80

What were the political reasons? rug Jan 2014 #19

Great point! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #20

A Wikipedia search will tell you about China and Cuba. trotsky Jan 2014 #22

Currently or in the past? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #24

The Soviet Union substituted 'the party' for 'god'. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

was the official policy of the state atheism? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #38

Uninteresting. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #39

The rason I brought it up was because this was claimed hrmjustin Jan 2014 #40

Soviet government no longer exists. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #41

There were in the past. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #48

That was not the poster's claim. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jan 2014 #52

Yes I realize the tense that is why I asked the poster about the past tense. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #54

And do you realize that none of them still do? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #55

No I just did not know that they decriminalized being gay. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #57

They all have. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #59

I just want to make clear I don't think atheism teaches homophobia. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #60

Yes, but you did make some relevant claims. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #62

Well I have met them and they can be just as nasty as religious homophobes. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #64

I agree, culture is largely the source. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #67

The sad thing now is that the Russian Church pushed for these new bigoted laws. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #70

Yep, and with the failure of the USSR, Russia is no longer a atheistic state. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

Are there atheist-controlled governments persecuting gays? No. Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #42

And if I had used the past tense skepticscott Jan 2014 #43

Oh, I see Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2014 #45

My question, which we all know you read, since you quoted it, was skepticscott Jan 2014 #46

But you agree that in the past there were atheist controlled governments hrmjustin Jan 2014 #49

See my posts skepticscott Jan 2014 #56

Simple question yes or no? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #58

As noted, it was already addressed in those posts. skepticscott Jan 2014 #61

I read your posts and I have my answer. thank you. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #63

In other words skepticscott Jan 2014 #68

No your three posts answeresd my question. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #82

You'd already read those posts skepticscott Jan 2014 #111

I read them after my later response and saw I had my answer. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #112

No, you didn't. skepticscott Jan 2014 #114

Dishonest. I realized after you posted number 61 what you were talking about. I am sorry I got it hrmjustin Jan 2014 #115

You have more respect that just about anyone here, justin. cbayer Jan 2014 #74

Thanks. I was going to say I got the answer from his three posts like he said. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #79

You are saying there are none CURRENTLY doing so Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #121

OR, one could point to nations like Albania that were both AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #53

There is a new documentary out about this. cbayer Jan 2014 #4

The central African Anglican Churches break my heart with their bigorty. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #6

It's a terrible situation. cbayer Jan 2014 #7

The anglicans in South Africa are more like the Episcopal Church. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #8

Was there any resolution to that? cbayer Jan 2014 #11

No it was all informal. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14

South Africa does a lot better muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #10

I haven't seen the documentary, okasha Feb 2014 #119

Why do the conservatives have this kind of influence in Africa? Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #9

Within the Anglican Communion it is because the low church Anglicans or more evangelical wing hrmjustin Jan 2014 #12

Goods and services Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #118

Not surprising at all. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #35