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Fortinbras Armstrong

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56. The Problem of Evil is easy to answer.
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 08:10 AM
Feb 2014

The standard explanation of evil is that we have free will, so that we should choose the good of our own accord, thus furthering God’s glory. That there are those who do not choose to do good is their fault, not God's.

No, the actual question is the "Problem of Pain". Evil is those things which people do which are wrong: Pride, anger, envy, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, etc. Pain is "the thousand natural shocks our flesh is heir to": Disease, tornadoes, man-eating-sharks. we have no real answer to the Problem of Pain. Some have said that God allows suffering to teach us lessons and make us better. Thus, we have disappointment to teach us perseverance, pain so we learn to keep our hands out of the fire, unkindness from others to help us grow in charity, and so on.

The problem here is the "and so on." Famine, to teach us what? Earthquakes, for what reason? Cancer, to improve us how? The whole bleeding, dying, screaming, lying, cheating, rotting carcass of the world to uplift us to what end?

This simply does not work. For a few great souls, poverty may be a blessing; for everyone else, it is a curse. Now and then, a terminal disease ennobles, most of the time, it is just rotten. God as a teacher who uses such methods makes him the warden of the worst run penitentiary of all. T S Eliot described this in his poem "East Coker":

The whole earth is our hospital
Endowed by the ruined millionaire,
Wherein, if we do well, we shall
Die of the absolute paternal care
Which does pursue us everywhere.


For Christians, suffering remains impenetrable and incomprehensible, and provokes rebellion. Nor will the Christian blasphemously claim that God himself required Jesus' death as compensation for what we make of ourselves. Suffering may be intrinsic to the human condition; but it is not inherent in the grand design God has for the universe. Given God as creator and shepherd, and given the divine presence in the world in the person of Christ, suffering of the innocent is unfathomable.

Even in their denials, skeptics sometimes show a better appreciation for the idea of God than do believers. They take seriously the contradiction between a loving God and the reality of evil and pain. Believers do not always face the gulf between evil and pain and an all-powerful God who opposes them. Reason fails before suffering and evil. All attempts to explain and interpret their existence, even in the context of Jesus’ saving work, seem to treat evil on the same level as good, as if it had a right to exist. The proper reaction to suffering and evil is to offer resistance, to act in a way meant to turn history to good effect. The Scriptures do not explain suffering and evil, but call on Christians to resist it and eradicate its causes.

Just as an aside, one of my favorite science fiction stories is Poul Anderson's "The Problem of Pain." In it, Anderson posits a monotheistic alien race with a concept of God that answers the problem of pain, but cannot explain why there is evil.

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Did you ever notice how the vast majority of religious people ... Scuba Feb 2014 #1
Not me. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #2
"Vast majority" does not equal "everyone". Scuba Feb 2014 #3
I know my friend. my parents are not believers. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #8
When did they become non-believers? n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #9
My father I think in his 20's and my mother when we were young. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #10
But? An Episcopalian/Anglican is just a cross between a Catholic and and unbeliever : ) Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #16
To be honest my switching was less about leaving the RCC and more about hrmjustin Feb 2014 #17
Episcopalianism is more liberal than Catholicism, at least? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #32
Depends on the Episcopalian. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #34
Shelby Spong seems fairly liberal? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #38
He is but he is retired. Most Episcopalians are liberal but not all. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #46
For a long time I was attracted to Episcopalianism Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #53
I detest Rowan because he is a coward. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #54
Fair enough Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #55
Did you ever notice how the vast majority of people... cbayer Feb 2014 #4
Similar (same?) dynamic. Scuba Feb 2014 #5
Of course. cbayer Feb 2014 #6
+1 Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #7
That would be a more interesting question when asked of adults muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #12
I don't think the stats would be that different, but I can't find anything cbayer Feb 2014 #13
The point is that most people believe what they've been told to believe, as children muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #14
It's more complex than just religious beliefs, though. cbayer Feb 2014 #15
The point is that religions are not really convincing; family habits are more compelling. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #31
Relgions aren't convincing. cbayer Feb 2014 #33
I think Atheists are tying to tell the religious that what they THINK is respectible, isn't Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #39
This lumping of "atheists" and "the religious" really weakens your argument, imo. cbayer Feb 2014 #45
Disambiguating: the referent of "they" was "the religious." I should I have made that clearer. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #49
I feel bad for the people that go more conservative. CFLDem Feb 2014 #26
I've met some people who were raised by hippies and absolutely cbayer Feb 2014 #27
To say "most" people follow the religion of their parents, does not mean "all" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #40
I myself don't really like what fully? cbayer Feb 2014 #47
A few posts ago you felt that the Right, conservatives, had hijacked Christianity in the 80's? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #50
Did you ever notice how the same people . . . . rug Feb 2014 #11
There are only two possible explanations. One is that it's just a coincidence. But struggle4progress Feb 2014 #18
I think an exorcism is in order! cbayer Feb 2014 #19
Many doctors recommend exorcizing daily struggle4progress Feb 2014 #20
Do you know what happens if you don't pay your exorcist? cbayer Feb 2014 #21
I'd forgotten about that documentary! struggle4progress Feb 2014 #22
Repoman? cbayer Feb 2014 #24
Today most don't believe in "witches." But there HAVE been sly, manipulative people in religion. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #41
The referenced article in the OP is not flame bait... rexcat Feb 2014 #23
Lack of class? Really. Not flame bait? Really. cbayer Feb 2014 #25
So are your are saying its okay... rexcat Feb 2014 #28
I'm no where near his level. Not even close. cbayer Feb 2014 #29
Part of my response has to do with... rexcat Feb 2014 #35
A fair point. I'll ask him. rug Feb 2014 #36
Ugh, dental work. cbayer Feb 2014 #44
I disagree with you on intent. rug Feb 2014 #30
There are a couple of core questions that Religion has never answered;they need constant repetition Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #42
The Problem of Evil is easy to answer. Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #56
Have you posted this seeking civil discourse? rug Feb 2014 #37
I say this post makes a cogent, valid, and timeless point. And makes it politely. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #43
It has nothing to do with the article; it has to do with motive. rug Feb 2014 #48
It's always hard to know/impugn motives. In any case, the post inspired a useful, sane conversation Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #51
did somebody appoint you inquisitor? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #57
Did somebody appoint you inquisitor? rug Feb 2014 #59
i was raised catholic. my mom was catholic but DesertFlower Feb 2014 #52
Well, I for one care about your damn religion. cbayer Feb 2014 #58
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