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In reply to the discussion: Why You Might Have to Choose Between Science and Faith [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)174. There is evidence but there are scientists who dispute it. ...
Cosmology
Science Stifled by Dogma
Funding Denied for Plasma Cosmology Research
A group of cosmologists, other scientists and engineers have published an open letter in New Scientist May 22nd 2004. Their purpose is to draw attention to the current policy on research funding which seems to be governed by dogmatism and prejudice in favour of "establishment" science. The specific case refers to the denial of funding for research into Plasma Cosmology. The Big Bang theory has been the generally accepted explanation of the origins of the Universe since 1965, in spite of serious theoretical problems. New observational evidence is now accumulating against Big Bang. Lerner and his supporters contend that Plasma Cosmology provides a superior basis for understanding the Universe. They protest that decisions on research funding are taken in the interests of supporting the status quo rather than advancing scientific understanding.
In this article we give a background to the controversy, highlight some of the severe problems which have afflicted Big Bang in recent years, and give examples of recent observational evidence which, whilst readily explained in terms of Plasma Cosmology, appears to refute Big Bang entirely.
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Flaws in the Big Bang
The recent history of the Big Bang theory has been of mathematical struggle to find solutions to a sea of problems. We are now a very long way from Hawkings ideal of a theory which on the basis of a few simple postulates will make definite predictions which can be tested. For example, when it became impossible to reconcile the standard cosmological model with the Universe as it appears, the concept of inflation involving a finite period of inflationary expansion was introduced. Since the proposal of what is now termed old inflation by Guth in 1981, we have experienced new inflation, chaotic inflation, eternal inflation, stochastic inflation, modified gravity, and their sub-variants. At the end of which, we have no evidence that inflation ever happened. All the above theories and their numerous variants are effectively attempts to explain the facts as we know them by mathematical modelling. Depending on results from the Large Hadron Collider, due to be completed at Geneva in 2005, it may be possible to determine whether we are in living in a (mem)brane universe in 11 dimensions of space time.7
It may not be unfair to conclude that the modern Big Bang theory comes with more patches and fixes than a piece of Bill Gates software. ...emphasis added
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Science Obstructed by Dogma In spite of the accumulation of observational evidence against it, and the array of fudge factors necessary to its survival, Big Bang remains the primary model of cosmology. The time has now come for serious investigation into an alternative explanation. This is the message of Lerners Open Letter. His complaint is that because of the entrenchment of Big Bang in the scientific establishment, it has become virtually impossible to obtain funding for open-minded research. Worse than that, young scientists who make bold to doubt the establishment theory put their careers in jeopardy - as Stephen Hawking did in his time. "Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed." This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific enquiry.
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Cosmology/index.html
I have no idea if any of the arguments against the Big Bang theory are valid but I do feel that it is unwise for the science community to accept one theory as gospel and reject those who disagree with it as heretics.
Religion has a long history of dogmatism but science should always be ready to consider conflicting views.
The problem may not be with the scientists but with governments who fund research.
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Darwin eventually discarded religion because it is incompatible with science. nt
Deep13
Feb 2014
#78
His auto-biography makes it clear that he was a complete skeptic at the end of his life.
Deep13
Feb 2014
#85
Lots of pressure from family and Catholic Church, to "accept" God in the last breath; and be "saved"
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#199
The human brain is a pattern recognition machine among a great many other things
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#3
An argument from ignorance as in "We don't know the answer to that at this time"?
cbayer
Feb 2014
#87
so your claim is that there is serious investigation going with respect to theory of consciousness
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#105
Check out Julian Jaynes's _The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind_. nt
tblue37
Feb 2014
#30
I see no major problem in believing in a creator and also believing in evolution. ...
spin
Feb 2014
#8
In the meantime, thanks for your evolutionary idea: religion as materially functional(at times).
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#136
My son in law who is agnostic feels religion is the Santa Claus story for adults. ...
spin
Feb 2014
#141
The most fervently religious nations are not the most peaceful or ordered ones
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#20
Throughout our history, the United States has had a strong religious foundation. ...
spin
Feb 2014
#51
Name one naturalistic theory that has been supplanted by a supernatural explanation...
Act_of_Reparation
Feb 2014
#131
That's a fair challenge and impossible to do as a supernatural event can't be explained by
spin
Feb 2014
#139
Of course not. Your question was how did scientists figure out that they were wrong? ...
spin
Feb 2014
#146
ah you seem to think science is another religiuon that accepts things "as gospel".
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#186
"building cathedrals" really - no science there, just a minor adjunct to cathedral building.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#161
A cursory search on PBS shows at least 2 NOVA's and such devoted to cathedral building
Heddi
Feb 2014
#162
Once Christians accept evolution, they have a big question: why did Jesus die and get resurrected?
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2014
#27
He meant entomology. Clearly the study of insects flows naturally from a discussion of theology.
rug
Feb 2014
#65
Beachwood has a good point that everyone is avoiding: what about all the science religion negates?
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#133
Besides literal interpretation like creationism, what science doe religion negate?
cbayer
Feb 2014
#135
Most physical "miracles" conflict with science. Liberals therefore often read them as metaphors.
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#197
You are unable to hold both concepts in your brain and don't believe in a god or
cbayer
Feb 2014
#50
The problem, as I see it, is that we teach our children faith before we teach them science
Beachwood
Feb 2014
#32
I think that when one speaks of something as concrete and definitive as weight,
cbayer
Feb 2014
#124
Wait, it seems that your reasoning is the black or white, reductive thinking here.
cbayer
Feb 2014
#108
Again, your entire argument hinges upon your equivocation of the word "faith."
trotsky
Feb 2014
#112
Faith comes into marriage because you are getting married with the belief that it will work.
Fortinbras Armstrong
Feb 2014
#210
The only way my comment is "nonsense" is if you were to get married
Fortinbras Armstrong
Feb 2014
#228
They may change a lot, they may change a bit, they might not change much at all.
trotsky
Feb 2014
#235
"If you go into a marriage with the faith that your partner won't change, you're a fool."
Fortinbras Armstrong
Feb 2014
#236
Many have thought Science and Religion are incompatible, but both useful. So: compartmentalize
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#116
Did people misunderstand the Bible - and the natural science buried beneath "solstice"?
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#198
Religion is the pretension of knowledge, not the pursuit of it, it provides easy answers, but not...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#202
What religion only asks questions, and doesn't provide answers? I can think of none that don't...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#206
"The claims of religion are untestable by their very nature..." This, right here, is my point...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#208
Why do you want to change the meaning of words to become meaningless?
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#221
Uhm, those aren't knowledge, you may have knowledge of them, they exist, but they aren't...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#223
Your definitions of God are all over the place, some of them make me a theist, which is just silly.
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#225
A definition of knowledge which flies in the face of centuries of epistemological research?
Act_of_Reparation
Feb 2014
#231
Is reality subjective in your world? I ask because you are basically arguing that words...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#233
Bullshit, straight up, unadulterated bullshit. You and him make belief equal knowledge...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#241
Translation: Humanist-Activist disagrees with me, but doesn't have a meaningful argument
Fortinbras Armstrong
Feb 2014
#242
Actually I have been asking for an example of knowledge gleaned from belief or faith...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#245
The claims of Religious "knowledge" DO seem FAR less certain than Science
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#212
Okasha: Time after time you've asked for facts. And I've furnished them - while you have not
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#219
Learn to see generic similarities and larger patterns: Moses touches/grabs a snake is not related?
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#234
When studying culture, Social Scientists look for larger patterns; major phenomena
Brettongarcia
Mar 2014
#248
What I am is someone who types very quickly and recklessly, but I am none of things
cbayer
Feb 2014
#220
"Facts" explicitly and by name, figure in both definitions of knowledge listed above.
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#218