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ChadwickHenryWard

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64. Some people think that's an unusual criticism.

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:35 AM

Feb 2012

I usually offer Jesus's rigid rejection of other religions as evidence against his perfect morality, but others seem to think that is a deeply silly criticism of somebody who is God. But why should god, or a perfectly moral mortal, be held to a lower standard than any normal mortal man? We expect a much more nuanced view of multiculturalism from each other today, which means we must reject the kind of bigotry god displays in the Bible.

As for the LDS, it's their teaching that all people, living and dead, will someday be Mormon. This is God's work, and other people don't get a say in that.

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What makes the Mormons "baptizing" dead people worse than baptizing babies? [View all] ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 OP

You really don't see the difference? Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #1

Precisely Sherman A1 Feb 2012 #15

Excellent point. cbayer Feb 2012 #25

The Catholic Church holds that baptism is like branding that you can't undo ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #26

That is not true, and even if it were, it isn't the same. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #39

And most other Christians believe.... jberryhill Feb 2012 #33

"Converting" dead Jews is way more disrespectful. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #37

They aren't "converting" them jberryhill Feb 2012 #41

You seem to think Jews are supposed to believe their religion is wrong. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #49

Just about every danged religion is supposed to believe other religions are wrong jberryhill Feb 2012 #51

No, you don't seem to get the point. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #55

"You seem to think it is OK to offend Jews" jberryhill Feb 2012 #60

As I suspected. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #61

It's okay jberryhill Feb 2012 #62

And I will pray for you to create less arrogant posts. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #63

In that case the post-mortem conversion is ineffective. Deep13 Feb 2012 #67

Who said anything about the effectiveness? The question was about offensiveness. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #69

Well, the question is if there is a reason to be offended. Deep13 Feb 2012 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #74

If people wanted to be baptized Mormon, they would have done it themselves. n/t Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #2

As I understand it, the practice started for the 'benefit' of those who never had the opportunity. laconicsax Feb 2012 #7

The FSM informs me that all baptized Mormons go straight into the Great Cauldron. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #19

But then they died and found out that Mormonism was the correct religion jberryhill Feb 2012 #34

Your last point was a point I made last week. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #3

How is it "arrogant" for a religion to think they know the truth jberryhill Feb 2012 #32

I don't think it is any more arrogant than any religion that says they have cbayer Feb 2012 #36

How is it not? MrSlayer Feb 2012 #45

Okay, so.... jberryhill Feb 2012 #52

I'm not down with any of it. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #56

Someone spoke FOR you. Like it or not, the parents who kept you MADem Feb 2012 #4

Better question is how it's worse than circumcising an infant. laconicsax Feb 2012 #5

An even better question is why you would respond with a red herring and strawman? Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #9

Not a red herring. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11

Nope. Red herring. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #12

You must have a very narrow view of the issue. laconicsax Feb 2012 #42

You are so burdened with logical fallacies as to miss the point. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #50

I hate to break it to you... laconicsax Feb 2012 #57

Hate to break it to you.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #59

I never singled out Jews, and readily admitted that non-Jews circumcise. laconicsax Feb 2012 #66

Playing the victim? Whatever. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #68

If you have a factual response to what I've posted, by all means let's have it. laconicsax Feb 2012 #70

Red herring distraction is over. I am no longer amused by your hateful propaganda. Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #71

I'm sorry you regard basic biology as "hateful propaganda." laconicsax Feb 2012 #72

Especially if done while breastfeeding in public at Olive Garden... Silent3 Feb 2012 #20

Worse thing about it is it's done without the permission of the participants. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #6

Which is different from infant baptism, how? laconicsax Feb 2012 #8

Because parents/legal guardians make all decisions for an infant and/or child. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #16

The Catholic view that their baptism gives them control for life still makes it offensive to me ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #28

Swing and a miss. laconicsax Feb 2012 #44

So is Voodoo jberryhill Feb 2012 #35

There is no participant. Igel Feb 2012 #38

There is a long and bloody history of forced baptism/conversion for Jews. TheWraith Feb 2012 #10

"This has happened probably hundreds of times?" Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #22

As one person said, "We were Ilsa Feb 2012 #13

They're both unethical, IMO Warpy Feb 2012 #14

no difference. it's a silly , ridiculous piece of nonsense. bowens43 Feb 2012 #17

were you baptized without consent of the family? unblock Feb 2012 #18

A better question might be:... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #21

Maybe almost always, but not ALWAYS ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #24

And there are denominations that don't baptize until you are a teen (I was raised in one). cbayer Feb 2012 #27

Yep, that's the church I go to now ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #47

Good for you! jeepnstein Feb 2012 #29

Yep I came to that understanding as well ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #48

So you are OK with them fucking with your soul? WingDinger Feb 2012 #23

Got no soul. Igel Feb 2012 #40

That last sentence is a winner jberryhill Feb 2012 #53

It shows a complete lack of respect for other's beliefs and choices. ChadwickHenryWard Feb 2012 #30

Yes, well, God doesn't respect different religions either jberryhill Feb 2012 #43

Some people think that's an unusual criticism. ChadwickHenryWard Feb 2012 #64

Because they don't *just* baptize the dead -- after the baptism, the person is entered into the LDS iris27 Feb 2012 #31

LDS don't baptize babies ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #46

Ok, I didn't know they don't do infant baptism. iris27 Feb 2012 #54

The database is supposed to be private though ButterflyBlood Feb 2012 #65

In denominations that baptize infants, the Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #58

Nothing other than the thickness of one's skin. Nihil Feb 2012 #75

Its like claiming an African American ancestor is not African American anymore, but White Vehl Feb 2012 #76