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cbayer

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13. I realize that my experience is anecdotal and have learned over the years that it

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 05:51 PM

Mar 2014

isn't representative of what many, if not most, experience.

But it isn't unique to me, that I know.

Hating other faiths was the furthest thing from what I was taught. My father is a minister in an established denomination and I have known many ministers like him. I grew up thinking all churches were like ours, but I know now that that is far from the truth.

I guess I would say that it's important that people believe in something - whether it be their god, their ethics, their mission in life, their politics. I see bigotry as something that can exist or not within any of those things. But I don't think belief in something means you have to believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I have some bigotry towards power boaters, I will admit that.

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Agree or Disagree - "To believe in the major religions requires bigotry" [View all] el_bryanto Mar 2014 OP

You are not required to be a bigot to believe, nor to become one. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #1

Disagree, but would agree that that statement is bigoted. cbayer Mar 2014 #2

not once you clearly study most religions. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2014 #102

Where do you get that idea? cbayer Mar 2014 #104

It does if you follow the texts as written. trotsky Mar 2014 #3

Gosh that's a mystery - do you suppose there are parts of those books that aren't bigoted? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #4

Gosh read my post again and I think you'll be able to figure that out. n/t trotsky Mar 2014 #6

Nope - didn't help. I guess your understanding of holy books is just too much for me. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #8

Not enough for him to commit himself to a public vote. rug Mar 2014 #16

I'll have to use the textbook definition of bigotry... Wait Wut Mar 2014 #5

I disagree with your premise. cbayer Mar 2014 #9

That is one possible interpretation. trotsky Mar 2014 #10

Yes, but... Wait Wut Mar 2014 #12

I realize that my experience is anecdotal and have learned over the years that it cbayer Mar 2014 #13

Not every strong preference is bigotry. okasha Mar 2014 #14

Judaism does not seek to convert non-Jews and has specific provisions for non-Jews Gothmog Mar 2014 #17

The strict observance of the Jewish religion mandates bigotry. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #18

How? Gothmog Mar 2014 #19

Well, for example, the treatment of women. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #21

I disagree with your analysis Gothmog Mar 2014 #61

"In the reform movement, equality of women is a given" Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #69

Read the materials posted Gothmog Mar 2014 #70

Really, you find the status of the women in my wife's cousin's family amusing? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #71

The Orthodox branch of Judaism accounts for 10% or less of the American Jewish faith Gothmog Mar 2014 #76

'Requires' - definitely not. 'Can lead to/ be used for bigotry' - yes. LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #7

it requires either acceptance of bigotry or determined ignorance about the sacred Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #11

Logically: the concept "faith" means believing without evidence. Which = bias, even bigotry Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #74

So can one have faith without being a bigot? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #75

And bigotry isn't necessary for atheism, either. okasha Mar 2014 #15

It is necessary for anti-theism though. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #20

So you claim someone has to be bigoted skepticscott Mar 2014 #22

No, he said, "It is necessary for anti-theism though." rug Mar 2014 #23

that's quite a leap. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #32

Ok, let's start by getting you on record skepticscott Mar 2014 #34

No. I don't. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #36

So are you saying that ANY criticism of religion skepticscott Mar 2014 #77

In essence, but you do get into the question of what a fair criticism is and what it isn't. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #78

Well, you're now on record skepticscott Mar 2014 #79

The title of that post - Religion Kills Yet Another Child el_bryanto Mar 2014 #80

It was a very specific manifestation of religion skepticscott Mar 2014 #82

That's not what he said el_bryanto Mar 2014 #83

He was saying that the death of that child skepticscott Mar 2014 #87

You really have to bend over back words to read the words "Religion Kills Yet Another Child" el_bryanto Mar 2014 #88

"A Very Specific Manifestation of Religion Kills Yet Another Child" was not the headline. rug Mar 2014 #86

Also for the record - of course I'm not defending a father who killed his child el_bryanto Mar 2014 #81

And yet you always seem to leap to the forefront skepticscott Mar 2014 #84

Actually there have been plenty of non-broad brush criticisms of religion I haven't commented on el_bryanto Mar 2014 #85

An attack on religion in general? EvilAL Mar 2014 #89

Congratulations! You get the prize for the goofiest post so far in this thread Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #93

To answer you, EvilAL Mar 2014 #95

Yes, you do have to narrow it down Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #96

Ok, that's fair, EvilAL Mar 2014 #97

Again, it's too easy to point to religion in general, or even a specific religion Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #98

'narrowly interpret certain scriptures' EvilAL Mar 2014 #99

Great question. Not one I can answer. Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #100

Unfortunately, yes. EvilAL Mar 2014 #105

Bigotry is directed against people, not ideas. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #25

The problem with that theory is that religions are practiced by people el_bryanto Mar 2014 #33

That's pretty nonsensical Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #37

It depends on how the objections are framed el_bryanto Mar 2014 #38

Those are some problematic assertions Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #46

It depends on how far you are willing to go to support your belief el_bryanto Mar 2014 #48

Oh, come on now. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #49

Conservatism is believed and practiced by people. trotsky Mar 2014 #39

That's a good argument; i'll have to think about that el_bryanto Mar 2014 #41

And vice-versa. trotsky Mar 2014 #42

Yes but surely what distinguishes conservatives el_bryanto Mar 2014 #43

Do you think it is impossible for you to be wrong? trotsky Mar 2014 #45

I do think I could be wrong el_bryanto Mar 2014 #47

The point in asking if you could be wrong... trotsky Mar 2014 #50

It would depend to what degree you are opposed to conservatism el_bryanto Mar 2014 #52

So going back to what you said: trotsky Mar 2014 #53

No - I still think that's accurate el_bryanto Mar 2014 #54

"to be an anti-theist you have to oppose those actions a theist takes" trotsky Mar 2014 #55

Well you would be opposed to the conservative actions of conservatives? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #56

So again we're back to whether it makes someone bigoted to be opposed to conservatism. trotsky Mar 2014 #60

Well you probably are bigoted against racists, by the Google definition. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #62

Not quite Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #63

I looked up bigotry actually el_bryanto Mar 2014 #66

Well then with the bar set that high... trotsky Mar 2014 #64

well that's just to illustrate the difference isn't it? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #65

Sure, since your statement attacks atheists as people and not just atheism as an idea. trotsky Mar 2014 #67

You are right and I apologize. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #68

Definitely not a bigoted statement. trotsky Mar 2014 #72

I think this might be a point where we disagree - because I do see it as hostile definitely el_bryanto Mar 2014 #73

Because I can distinguish between people Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #51

Yes... MellowDem Mar 2014 #24

one thing I often wonder Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #26

Now that's condescending Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #28

no I wasn't being condescending to atheists Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #29

Most believers probably don't spend a lot of time in the religion forum el_bryanto Mar 2014 #35

Lots of "bashing" occurs on DU. trotsky Mar 2014 #40

depends on which religion DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #27

Yup. Iggo Mar 2014 #30

Religion asks for "faith." Which means believing without adequate evidence; which is BIGOTRY... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #31

I like to vote! Inkfreak Mar 2014 #44

Let's do another poll to see if it Requires One to IGNORE bigotry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #57

I was quoting a line by MellowDem - that's why it's phrased that way. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #58

Fair enough. I missed the backstory. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #59

Depends on the religion LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #90

No, but yes if you add the word "literally". N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #91

I think that's the point el_bryanto Mar 2014 #92

At this point, it's just semantics. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #94

Depends whether one's religion is performative or theological. Deep13 Mar 2014 #101

Even if the Abrahamic religions did require rejection of every other religion cbayer Mar 2014 #103