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MellowDem

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28. I don't doubt you are honest about your faith...

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:38 PM

Mar 2014

And it's quite possible to believe the Bible is all hunky dory with no stress. Humans can compartmentalize and deny reality like no one else.

Which still says nothing about the fact that the Bible commands and condones all sorts of bigotry as a fundamental part of its belief system.

I don't doubt there are people out there who think Mein Kempf is a wonderful guide to life, and that none of it is racist or bigoted, they are quite stress free in this idea. But, they're still wrong.

If a person doesn't care about the truth of their belief system, then nothing I could say would convince them. If their belief is based on some other motivation, then pointing out evidence will do nothing.

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Atheists can be homophobic and sexist, too [View all] rug Mar 2014 OP

Yes, you don't have to be a Catholic to be homophobic and sexist. mr blur Mar 2014 #1

Bwahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Mar 2014 #3

You don't need a peanut gallery to be a bigot. rug Mar 2014 #6

You don't need a broad brush to be a bigot. rug Mar 2014 #4

Atheism is not a guarantee of rationality. immoderate Mar 2014 #2

Atheism is not a guarantee of anything. rug Mar 2014 #5

that's a ludicrous statement.... mike_c Mar 2014 #7

+100 nt Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #113

The demographic data supports that atheists are more liberal/progressive cbayer Mar 2014 #8

Don't worry, religion sets the bigoty bar ever higher, Uganda now marking a new Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #9

Since Silverman is not getting any traction from CPAC, that's probably true. rug Mar 2014 #10

Uganda. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #12

Edwina Rogers. rug Mar 2014 #13

Personally most of the homophobia I have experienced came from religious people but hrmjustin Mar 2014 #11

Let the record show that the USSR and China Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #14

Nazis were religious Lordquinton Mar 2014 #99

I guess so, because that's a very debatable point Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #102

He also called himself a socialist. I put no stock in what Nazis say. rug Mar 2014 #103

Thank you. Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #111

It's not really debatable Lordquinton Mar 2014 #130

They had a red flag too. rug Mar 2014 #131

And? Lordquinton Mar 2014 #135

And they claimed to be socialists. rug Mar 2014 #136

They had priests, and marched under a cross Lordquinton Mar 2014 #145

They also nationalized industry, created state-run work programs, and extended senior benefits. rug Mar 2014 #148

I'm not? Lordquinton Mar 2014 #149

Some were religious while others, such as Bormann and Goebbels, were atheist. rug Mar 2014 #150

This is the most bizarre denial of history I've seen on this board. Lordquinton Mar 2014 #151

Well, I've been biting my tongue but I will say peddlers of evil conspiracies tend to be deluded. rug Mar 2014 #152

Can you put a little more context into your posts? Lordquinton Mar 2014 #153

I'm glad you value context. rug Mar 2014 #158

How does that apply in any way? Lordquinton Mar 2014 #159

You were not correcting a factual error, you were perpetuating one. rug Mar 2014 #160

Yea, clear you need to re-evaulate history Lordquinton Mar 2014 #161

I'd like some sources for this information. Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #174

Sources are out there Lordquinton Apr 2014 #175

Geez. The First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire, established centuries after the fall of Rome. rug Apr 2014 #176

Atheism is the rejection of a claim phil89 Mar 2014 #15

The article refers to some atheists (20% per its data) not atheism. rug Mar 2014 #16

Yes, but the Abrahamic religions require bigotry... MellowDem Mar 2014 #17

Well, that's well-wrapped bullshit. rug Mar 2014 #18

No, it's the truth... MellowDem Mar 2014 #20

Calling shallow nonsense designed to buttress a worldview "truth" does not make it truth. rug Mar 2014 #22

Exactly... MellowDem Mar 2014 #26

Au contraire, mon frere. It is you who claim Abrahamic religions are based on bigotry. rug Mar 2014 #27

I pointed some very compelling evidence out... MellowDem Mar 2014 #29

Where? rug Mar 2014 #30

Third response in this subthread MellowDem Mar 2014 #31

Post 20? rug Mar 2014 #34

Yes MellowDem Mar 2014 #35

Not to be difficult but I don't think this constitutes compelling evidence. rug Mar 2014 #36

Genesis 3:16 MellowDem Mar 2014 #39

1 Romans 5:14 rug Mar 2014 #40

+1. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #43

What spurious point? MellowDem Mar 2014 #44

Ok, ignorant then. rug Mar 2014 #46

You know what the whole notion of the Fall is? MellowDem Mar 2014 #87

I know what they say it is. rug Mar 2014 #88

Nope... MellowDem Mar 2014 #90

Religions do not promote bigotry Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #129

I think many major religions do promote bigotry... MellowDem Mar 2014 #133

Ooh! Ooh! Can I play? AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #53

No. rug Mar 2014 #61

I'm sure from your perspective AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #64

I'm sure that's what "the rest of us", whomever they may be, believe. rug Mar 2014 #66

Are we quoting Republicans now? AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #70

The Republican who started the draft Lincoln movement, yes. rug Mar 2014 #73

You mean the Liberal Republican Party TM99 Mar 2014 #74

I know. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #81

Then why did you reply TM99 Mar 2014 #98

I was reflecting a tactic. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #104

Really? Funny when I go to church they never tell me I have to be bigoted. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #19

No, just intellectually dishonest... MellowDem Mar 2014 #21

Well I assure you I have no stress when dealing with my beliefs in God and the bible. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

I don't doubt you are honest about your faith... MellowDem Mar 2014 #28

Ok well I can tell you I don't believe every part of the bible so I have no stress. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #32

Then the word Christian is meaningless... MellowDem Mar 2014 #37

Well I will put it this way and end this conversation now. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #38

All I care about is honest discussion and finding the truth... MellowDem Mar 2014 #41

When you insult me you can't have an honest conversation with me. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #42

It's not an insult, it's being honest. MellowDem Mar 2014 #45

Just what the Religion Group needs, Simon Cowell. rug Mar 2014 #47

The Episcopal Church, okasha Mar 2014 #48

Sure I can... MellowDem Mar 2014 #89

Woulf that be anything like okasha Mar 2014 #91

The insults just keep flying with that poster. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #92

Yup. okasha Mar 2014 #93

lol that is true. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #94

And 3rd. place is riding his tail. okasha Mar 2014 #95

That would be great. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #96

Make that okasha Mar 2014 #97

Gosh, I do hope I'm in the running. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #108

If only anyone could actually point out how many of the fundamental beliefs... MellowDem Mar 2014 #117

If you could actually define what constitutes a mental disorder, that might be even cbayer Mar 2014 #118

I like the Wikipedia definition... MellowDem Mar 2014 #119

For the record, here is the wikipedia definition of mental disorder: cbayer Mar 2014 #120

I just explained it... MellowDem Mar 2014 #122

You thinking they are terrible, harmful and maladaptive doesn't make them an illness. cbayer Mar 2014 #124

Sure it does... MellowDem Mar 2014 #125

What a disorder is is not completely subjective. cbayer Mar 2014 #126

I got that idea from reality... MellowDem Mar 2014 #140

You got that idea from reality. cbayer Mar 2014 #147

You can rant at me all you want... MellowDem Mar 2014 #162

Nope. The definition of disorder, when used medically, is not cbayer Mar 2014 #165

What is the medical definition of disorder... MellowDem Mar 2014 #167

Yeah, that's the ticket. I don't understand what subjective and objective mean. cbayer Mar 2014 #169

That is the appropriate response. MellowDem Mar 2014 #170

Like you identifying as a mellow democrat, while voicing such ugly cbayer Mar 2014 #101

If you could back up your claims... MellowDem Mar 2014 #121

Christianity arose as a splinter from Judaism, and Judaism has a very ancient tradition struggle4progress Mar 2014 #49

Why do you presume that religious TM99 Mar 2014 #51

Yeah, learn how to make a stinking heap of bigotry and misogyny say whatever you want it to. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #52

So you are no different than a fundamentalist. TM99 Mar 2014 #55

You can pretend it says any damn thing that makes you feel better, I don't give a shit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #56

Then perhaps you should NOT post in the Religion Group? TM99 Mar 2014 #59

Maybe you're new here. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #60

Oh, I know the rules. TM99 Mar 2014 #62

None of this distracts from the inconvenient sexism in the texts upon which major religions are AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #65

Not a deflection, and hardly inconvenient to religious people TM99 Mar 2014 #75

Bullshit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #82

Bullshit right back at you. TM99 Mar 2014 #100

No, that's exactly what I didn't do. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #105

Since you're compelled to drag me into this, is there something you wanted to say? rug Mar 2014 #106

Not particularly. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #107

NP.Thanks for the clarification. rug Mar 2014 #109

So a lot of words TM99 Mar 2014 #110

That's not what you said. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #112

For a lot of words in reply, TM99 Mar 2014 #115

Cite the post numbers. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #116

At this point Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #78

It's hard to contain a huge idea in minutiae. rug Mar 2014 #86

What you are insisting is Christianity-- okasha Mar 2014 #138

No, I'm talking about people who say parts of the Bible are false... MellowDem Mar 2014 #139

No. You are insisting okasha Mar 2014 #141

The only willful dishonesty... MellowDem Mar 2014 #142

I prefer to allow Christians to define themselves. okasha Mar 2014 #143

Well said! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #144

And I prefer to call out hypocrites and liars MellowDem Mar 2014 #154

Well, when you maintain that you hold the true definition of religion cbayer Mar 2014 #156

No, what's really convenient... MellowDem Mar 2014 #163

Much more so than "disorder", the definition of religion is highly subjecive cbayer Mar 2014 #166

All definitions are subjective... MellowDem Mar 2014 #168

I suggest you find another hobby then. okasha Mar 2014 #157

Your snark and lack of argument are noted... MellowDem Mar 2014 #164

You have just described yourself. okasha Mar 2014 #171

Just curious which parts do you just throw away? Leontius Mar 2014 #76

I don't say I throw them away. I think some is allegory and just trying to tell a story. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #77

Do you look for patterns flowing through the Bible that tie it together seamlessly even through, Leontius Mar 2014 #79

Yes there are plenty of patterns in the bible. The wriiters of the bible used earlier text as a hrmjustin Mar 2014 #80

Me too. I must havd been distracted by all the bigots muttering their rosaries. rug Mar 2014 #23

Well we need to pay more attention to those sermons. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #25

It can be distracting. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #54

I agree. Have you taken it? rug Mar 2014 #57

You can do better than that. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #58

Indeed I can. rug Mar 2014 #63

But I raised my 'problem' with you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #68

I must have missed it. What is your problem? rug Mar 2014 #69

Bigotry, sexism and other sundry issues institutionalized in the founding source material of multipl AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #71

What about bigotry that's not based in religious texts? rug Mar 2014 #72

Still bigotry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #83

I donn't know about that. rug Mar 2014 #84

Oh, they get their fair share, trust me. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #85

What problem? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #67

Makes one wonder why some atheists feel it necessary to subscribe to bigotry Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #114

Religious beliefs promote and condone all sorts of fear and bigotry... MellowDem Mar 2014 #123

Apparently lack of beliefs can also promote all sort of fear and bigotry. cbayer Mar 2014 #127

You can't say "apparently" MellowDem Mar 2014 #132

Sure I can. cbayer Mar 2014 #134

It's not literalism... MellowDem Mar 2014 #137

It's intellectually dishonest to continue to say the exact same cbayer Mar 2014 #146

I've been told it's not true... MellowDem Mar 2014 #155

yes and yes bluestateguy Mar 2014 #33

Anecdotal story. Inkfreak Mar 2014 #50

I don't much care for these kind of arguments. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #128

No they can't, if we follow the same standards you do for people in your church... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #172

Hi, Roy. rug Mar 2014 #173