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89. I have boots to wade through the horseshit on my way to the rational threads.

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Religion Kills Yet Another Child [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2014 OP

We have been told repeatedly in this very group... trotsky Mar 2014 #1

Sounds about right cleanhippie Mar 2014 #3

Nor can we prove that demons and exorcisms were discussed at the man's church... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #14

Right, and we only have the police report documenting the man's claims. trotsky Mar 2014 #17

Marcell Washington killed his 3-year-old child. rug Mar 2014 #2

Better to ignore this, and its religious basis? Never happened? In Psych, that's called "Denial" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #43

"This" has a name. It's Ameen Washington. rug Mar 2014 #56

The denial here is indeed rampant. Feral Child Mar 2014 #102

Of course I do. Do you also think schizophrenia kills people? rug Mar 2014 #106

I don't answer deflecting questions. Feral Child Mar 2014 #128

And BOOM goes the dynamite. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #136

Thanks, cleanhippie. Feral Child Mar 2014 #137

Making eye contact with adults while dressed as a clown is risky. - Douglas Coupland rug Mar 2014 #143

I live for that risk, rugdude. Feral Child Mar 2014 #146

A firecracker is dynamite to an ant. rug Mar 2014 #142

You don't answer uncomfortable questions. rug Mar 2014 #141

You asked me to diagnose Feral Child Mar 2014 #147

No, I didn't. His illness has already been diagnosed and his history reported.. rug Mar 2014 #149

Lovely metaphor. Feral Child Mar 2014 #154

Lots of words and still no answer to a simple question. rug Mar 2014 #156

Please, rug. Feral Child Mar 2014 #189

A public apology to rug. Feral Child Mar 2014 #195

Can you link to reportage of accused's formal diagnosis of "schizophreia"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #170

It's in his competency evaluations. rug Mar 2014 #178

So no formal evaluation released. But? The court found enough to indict for "Felony Murder" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #180

The Grand Jury indicts, not the Court. rug Mar 2014 #181

Second Degree was mentioned. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #182

... Washington was arraigned for second degree murder. He entered a not guilty plea ... struggle4progress Mar 2014 #184

That will change when they give the prosecutor notice of a psychiatric defense. rug Mar 2014 #188

He is dead because his father was mentally ill hrmjustin Mar 2014 #115

Schizophrenia often takes religious form; the accused is not schizophrenic as of arrest Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #130

To refer to "this" event, this murder, puts down Ameen Washington?!?! Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #132

Do you actually think this was posted to mourn Ameen Washington? rug Mar 2014 #144

It's a legitimate warning about abuses in religious base. Today, lesser but important abuses continu Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #155

First of all I never seen a religious friend of mine burn any book. Denial I don't kn8w what you hrmjustin Mar 2014 #114

1) History says religions often censored, burned books - and people - they thought were "heretical" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #131

So this all means what to you. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #135

Well I don't burn books and neitger does my church. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #138

This death should serve to warn others. But many still ridicule or censor such stories Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #157

Where do you see religious censorship in the US? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #158

Learn to see it. Even a blog like this one, is "protected"; Fundamentalists are excluded Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #160

You mean DU? There are terms of service to this site we agreed to. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #161

Our "terms of service" amount to a kind of (albeit sometimes useful) religious censorship Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #163

The terms of service of this site leads to religious censorship? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #164

People in denial often use logic & word games; in this case a "Distinction Without a Difference" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #165

Well on this site they try to keep discussion of the validity of religious belief orr non belief in hrmjustin Mar 2014 #166

Jesus is still here. rug Mar 2014 #167

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RUG: When you lose an argument, always divert attention, change the subject. Another Denial. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #173

Lol! rug Mar 2014 #174

Safe havens are for certain groups to talk about their interests. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #187

examples of relifious censorship in the media please? elehhhhna Mar 2014 #183

There are degrees of religious bias, censorship, in most media. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #185

Incredibly sad. Scuba Mar 2014 #4

Indeed. Another needless religiously associated death. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #5

Do you have any profound thoughts concerning why his psych evaluation that lasted two years struggle4progress Mar 2014 #63

Google didn't return anything? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #66

Well, I did find this: "Internet trolls are sadistic, narcissistic and psychopathic" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #70

Of course there is the argument that those that rely solely on the internet Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #72

It left out "disruptive", no matter how poorly done. rug Mar 2014 #86

Horrible way for a child Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #6

I agree. Being drowned is horrific, but adding the totally preventable religious motivation cleanhippie Mar 2014 #18

Sometimes Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #22

Jail or a ward for the criminally insane Warpy Mar 2014 #82

I agree with all this Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #126

I agree, but you seem to dismiss the religious motivation attached to it. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #83

I understand Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #127

You can tell the difference: the exact same delusional beliefs are either Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #7

Makes perfect sense, if you read the responses in the religion=mental illness thread. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #8

None of the authors of which skepticscott Mar 2014 #20

As with all things religious, when facts come out, apologists scatter like cockroaches cleanhippie Mar 2014 #67

That's odd. Your posts seem to attract its own. rug Mar 2014 #88

As evidenced by your arrival cleanhippie Mar 2014 #90

When one smells something foul, it is necessary to find the source. rug Mar 2014 #94

Have you tried brushing your teeth? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #98

That comment just about summarizes this thread. rug Mar 2014 #101

What a well reasoned argument. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #9

*Yawn* cleanhippie Mar 2014 #10

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #11

Considering that all of that came from your imagination, the fantasy is all yours. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #12

Nah - i'm not going to be doing that as long as you post such bullshit. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #13

Well, I asked nicely, and you refused, so a jury shut you up for good. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #15

Looks like your personal attack couldn't stand the scrutiny of a DU jury. Jokerman Mar 2014 #16

BTW, this is just the latest example skepticscott Mar 2014 #19

Well, this has gone about as well as you expected. rug Mar 2014 #21

The gloating makes my skin crawl. okasha Mar 2014 #25

What does it take to make Ameen Washington a footnote in the story of his own death? rug Mar 2014 #26

"A footnote" puts it perfectly. okasha Mar 2014 #30

This isn't the alcohol or anger management group, it's the Religion group cleanhippie Mar 2014 #50

Yes, it's not the dead toddler group. rug Mar 2014 #59

Should we rename it the Dead Toddler Killed By Religious Wingnut Group? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #68

No. How about the Playpen Group? rug Mar 2014 #73

Sounds like The Lounge, which we already have. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #77

The Lounge has more class and honesty than this thread. rug Mar 2014 #80

Yet here you are... cleanhippie Mar 2014 #85

I have boots to wade through the horseshit on my way to the rational threads. rug Mar 2014 #89

Riiiggghhht. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #91

Careful there, let me just take a step. rug Mar 2014 #95

Here, a religious father killed an atheist child. Nobody noticed? Because he was a nonbeliever. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #172

Anf you have a safe haven group okasha Mar 2014 #74

Anytime you want to respond with something of substance, I'll be here. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #75

You confuse projection with reflection. rug Mar 2014 #84

If by reflection, she is looking in a mirror, I would agree. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #87

Then you wouldn't agree. rug Mar 2014 #92

You two should just move in together - mr blur Mar 2014 #57

Talking to you feels like I'm already there. rug Mar 2014 #58

What do you mean by normal folks? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #116

Hey okasha, do you know where the normal people hang out? rug Mar 2014 #60

iNo safe haven for "normal folks" on DU, okasha Mar 2014 #81

In dealing with heretics and demons, some believers are more zealous than others. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #23

Sad story. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

What are you talking about - the child's death was caused by untreated mental illness dem in texas Mar 2014 #27

Correction to post above - I am NOT a fan of conservative religions, dem in texas Mar 2014 #28

many religions teach that demonic possession is real. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #31

Any scientist will tell you the etiology of mental illnness lies in the human body not beliefs. rug Mar 2014 #32

Not exactly. The body and the mind effect each other. Ideas effect mental state, and bodily state Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #45

If you think abstract ideas cause mental illness you're peddling woo. rug Mar 2014 #55

Mental ideas, talking, effect mental health. Said Freud. And much of Psychology. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #159

I think I might willingly describe the drowning of a three-year old as a demonic act struggle4progress Mar 2014 #36

Look, you are engaged in equivocation. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #40

"Equivocation" (as logical fallacy) does not consist (as you suppose) of using a word struggle4progress Mar 2014 #42

"misleading use of a term with more than one meaning". Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #44

Then point out exactly which word I misleadingly used twice with different meanings struggle4progress Mar 2014 #124

I think 'bullshitting' may be a more succinct term for your posts on this muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #47

So you dislike describing the drowning of a three-year old as "demonic" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #64

This shows, again, how you want to divert from religion as the subject muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #71

Your excerpt doesn't seem to me to support your analysis struggle4progress Mar 2014 #105

It is one thing to say "I think democracy exists" and rather another to say "I believe in democracy" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #123

more equivocation on your part - "believing in democracy" is about thinking it a Good Thing muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #125

No, equivocation is the changing of the meaning of a term in the course of an argument: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #152

You are arguing that "believing in demons" is like "believing in democracy" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #153

It might be both. bravenak Mar 2014 #29

"... mental health experts .. said Washington's symptoms sounded like schizophrenia ..." struggle4progress Mar 2014 #33

Now, now. okasha Mar 2014 #34

Shame on me for actually following the link in the OP to read what was written there struggle4progress Mar 2014 #37

You know you weren't supposed to do that. okasha Mar 2014 #38

And there very well could be. trotsky Mar 2014 #41

Please explain the litmus test to tell the difference. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #48

There must also be a lot of incidents skepticscott Mar 2014 #39

I'm unaware of any reliable source of statistics that could illuminate your claim struggle4progress Mar 2014 #62

You worked all day on that, eh? skepticscott Mar 2014 #97

On average, over a recent multi-decade period, eight (8) children per day were killed by a parent struggle4progress Mar 2014 #120

Interesting point. phil89 Mar 2014 #93

You can be reasonably sure that if there were skepticscott Mar 2014 #99

Does Schizophrenia have adult or infant baptism? rug Mar 2014 #96

IIRC the Church of Schizophrenia has a very individualistic creed, allowing struggle4progress Mar 2014 #109

Is it a branch of the Unitarians? rug Mar 2014 #110

I'm sure I wouldn't know struggle4progress Mar 2014 #118

Experts, who had not examined Washington, said it "sounds like" schizophrenia? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #171

And then there are the claims that "religion is indistinguishable from psychopathology!" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #176

Lawyer: Man who admitted killing 3-year-old son 'nearly incomprehensible' after crime struggle4progress Mar 2014 #35

He was "nearly" incomprehensible - but clearly citing religious motives, over and over Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #46

I have no idea exactly what "religious motive" means to you or what hard evidence you can exhibit struggle4progress Mar 2014 #69

Enough already Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #76

+1. The cognitive dissonance here is stupefying. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #78

I'm disinclined to spend $40 to get access to that article struggle4progress Mar 2014 #100

You're not saying skepticscott Mar 2014 #107

Did you read the article? If so, what did you find interesting in it? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #108

It was your post I found interesting skepticscott Mar 2014 #117

Although I had suspected your predilection for personal remarks, I must admit I was surprised struggle4progress Mar 2014 #119

I read the article.Here's what I found interesting in it. As it links Religious"Delusions" to murder Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #175

Your inclinations don't concern me Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #111

Did you read the article? If so, what did you find interesting in it? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #112

I'm a bit confused by your claim that a 2006 article can corroborate the findings of a 2011 article struggle4progress Mar 2014 #113

Among the growing list of things that do not concern me: your inability to access scholarly journals Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #121

An "argument" for a "model," intended to encourage "more discussion," does not add up to "findings" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #122

Your litany of semantic nitpickings do not add up to "argument" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #133

Translation: "I didn't read the article either" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #148

One thing we can say for certain is... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #150

Here are some evidence-based articles not hidden behind paywalls struggle4progress Mar 2014 #151

Yawn. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #190

... trotsky Mar 2014 #191

Don't overlook THIS part Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #194

Religion A Contributing Factor In Father Who Kills His Child rug Mar 2014 #103

YOU ARE BLIND. The accused used religious language, and described his motive this way Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #134

In the US, there are about eight murders daily of a child by a parent struggle4progress Mar 2014 #139

Two years of psychological evaluation - whose results are not yet definitive Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #140

Perhaps what's not yet definitive from the psychiatric evaluation struggle4progress Mar 2014 #145

4 (not 99?): That's speculative. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #162

Your "religion is indistinguishable from psychopathology" is just trolling for reaction struggle4progress Mar 2014 #169

Clinical research here found Religion inextricably intermixed with mental "delusion" in filicide: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #179

Your reading of the article seems implausible, not only because the excerpts, that you provide, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #186

Religious readers miss the second, critical voice in religious writing. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #192

Maybe he was so moved by the Holy Spirit Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #49

OK you've convinced me there is a god rock Mar 2014 #51

I thought that observation was self-evident. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #52

When you combine schizophrenic tendencies with religious fundamentalism this outcome is expected blm Mar 2014 #53

No we've been told in no uncertain terms that there is absolutely no connection, and to state Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #54

Yes, Google has spoken skepticscott Mar 2014 #61

I mean no disrespect when I ponder where we would find the line. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #65

This post above addresses the question you raise. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #79

Analysis: 32 years of U.S. filicide arrests struggle4progress Mar 2014 #104

"Religious Delusions and Filicide: A Psychodynamic Model," came to slightly different conclusions Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #177

Thank you for your concern goldent Mar 2014 #129

YOUR religion does not drown children? But historically much of it did similar things. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #193