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Brettongarcia

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177. "Religious Delusions and Filicide: A Psychodynamic Model," came to slightly different conclusions

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:52 AM

Mar 2014

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"Conclusion
In this article, we argue that mental illness, psychological functioning, and the psychology
of religion all contribute to acts of filicide. Specifically, chronic mental illness, coupled
with childhood narcissistic injuries and religious delusions that provide meaning to
confusing psychotic experiences, may increase the likelihood that this dreadful act will take
place. In the end, we hope that our psychodynamic model encourages further discussions
on the many contributing variables to this form of child murder, with a particular return to
the family-of-origin experiences and psychological processes that may contribute to such
acts. After all, understanding its many layers can only strengthen preventative efforts in
order to reduce its prevalence in contemporary societies."

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Religion Kills Yet Another Child [View all] cleanhippie Mar 2014 OP

We have been told repeatedly in this very group... trotsky Mar 2014 #1

Sounds about right cleanhippie Mar 2014 #3

Nor can we prove that demons and exorcisms were discussed at the man's church... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #14

Right, and we only have the police report documenting the man's claims. trotsky Mar 2014 #17

Marcell Washington killed his 3-year-old child. rug Mar 2014 #2

Better to ignore this, and its religious basis? Never happened? In Psych, that's called "Denial" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #43

"This" has a name. It's Ameen Washington. rug Mar 2014 #56

The denial here is indeed rampant. Feral Child Mar 2014 #102

Of course I do. Do you also think schizophrenia kills people? rug Mar 2014 #106

I don't answer deflecting questions. Feral Child Mar 2014 #128

And BOOM goes the dynamite. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #136

Thanks, cleanhippie. Feral Child Mar 2014 #137

Making eye contact with adults while dressed as a clown is risky. - Douglas Coupland rug Mar 2014 #143

I live for that risk, rugdude. Feral Child Mar 2014 #146

A firecracker is dynamite to an ant. rug Mar 2014 #142

You don't answer uncomfortable questions. rug Mar 2014 #141

You asked me to diagnose Feral Child Mar 2014 #147

No, I didn't. His illness has already been diagnosed and his history reported.. rug Mar 2014 #149

Lovely metaphor. Feral Child Mar 2014 #154

Lots of words and still no answer to a simple question. rug Mar 2014 #156

Please, rug. Feral Child Mar 2014 #189

A public apology to rug. Feral Child Mar 2014 #195

Can you link to reportage of accused's formal diagnosis of "schizophreia"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #170

It's in his competency evaluations. rug Mar 2014 #178

So no formal evaluation released. But? The court found enough to indict for "Felony Murder" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #180

The Grand Jury indicts, not the Court. rug Mar 2014 #181

Second Degree was mentioned. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #182

... Washington was arraigned for second degree murder. He entered a not guilty plea ... struggle4progress Mar 2014 #184

That will change when they give the prosecutor notice of a psychiatric defense. rug Mar 2014 #188

He is dead because his father was mentally ill hrmjustin Mar 2014 #115

Schizophrenia often takes religious form; the accused is not schizophrenic as of arrest Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #130

To refer to "this" event, this murder, puts down Ameen Washington?!?! Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #132

Do you actually think this was posted to mourn Ameen Washington? rug Mar 2014 #144

It's a legitimate warning about abuses in religious base. Today, lesser but important abuses continu Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #155

First of all I never seen a religious friend of mine burn any book. Denial I don't kn8w what you hrmjustin Mar 2014 #114

1) History says religions often censored, burned books - and people - they thought were "heretical" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #131

So this all means what to you. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #135

Well I don't burn books and neitger does my church. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #138

This death should serve to warn others. But many still ridicule or censor such stories Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #157

Where do you see religious censorship in the US? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #158

Learn to see it. Even a blog like this one, is "protected"; Fundamentalists are excluded Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #160

You mean DU? There are terms of service to this site we agreed to. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #161

Our "terms of service" amount to a kind of (albeit sometimes useful) religious censorship Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #163

The terms of service of this site leads to religious censorship? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #164

People in denial often use logic & word games; in this case a "Distinction Without a Difference" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #165

Well on this site they try to keep discussion of the validity of religious belief orr non belief in hrmjustin Mar 2014 #166

Jesus is still here. rug Mar 2014 #167

. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #168

RUG: When you lose an argument, always divert attention, change the subject. Another Denial. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #173

Lol! rug Mar 2014 #174

Safe havens are for certain groups to talk about their interests. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #187

examples of relifious censorship in the media please? elehhhhna Mar 2014 #183

There are degrees of religious bias, censorship, in most media. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #185

Incredibly sad. Scuba Mar 2014 #4

Indeed. Another needless religiously associated death. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #5

Do you have any profound thoughts concerning why his psych evaluation that lasted two years struggle4progress Mar 2014 #63

Google didn't return anything? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #66

Well, I did find this: "Internet trolls are sadistic, narcissistic and psychopathic" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #70

Of course there is the argument that those that rely solely on the internet Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #72

It left out "disruptive", no matter how poorly done. rug Mar 2014 #86

Horrible way for a child Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #6

I agree. Being drowned is horrific, but adding the totally preventable religious motivation cleanhippie Mar 2014 #18

Sometimes Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #22

Jail or a ward for the criminally insane Warpy Mar 2014 #82

I agree with all this Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #126

I agree, but you seem to dismiss the religious motivation attached to it. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #83

I understand Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #127

You can tell the difference: the exact same delusional beliefs are either Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #7

Makes perfect sense, if you read the responses in the religion=mental illness thread. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #8

None of the authors of which skepticscott Mar 2014 #20

As with all things religious, when facts come out, apologists scatter like cockroaches cleanhippie Mar 2014 #67

That's odd. Your posts seem to attract its own. rug Mar 2014 #88

As evidenced by your arrival cleanhippie Mar 2014 #90

When one smells something foul, it is necessary to find the source. rug Mar 2014 #94

Have you tried brushing your teeth? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #98

That comment just about summarizes this thread. rug Mar 2014 #101

What a well reasoned argument. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #9

*Yawn* cleanhippie Mar 2014 #10

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #11

Considering that all of that came from your imagination, the fantasy is all yours. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #12

Nah - i'm not going to be doing that as long as you post such bullshit. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #13

Well, I asked nicely, and you refused, so a jury shut you up for good. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #15

Looks like your personal attack couldn't stand the scrutiny of a DU jury. Jokerman Mar 2014 #16

BTW, this is just the latest example skepticscott Mar 2014 #19

Well, this has gone about as well as you expected. rug Mar 2014 #21

The gloating makes my skin crawl. okasha Mar 2014 #25

What does it take to make Ameen Washington a footnote in the story of his own death? rug Mar 2014 #26

"A footnote" puts it perfectly. okasha Mar 2014 #30

This isn't the alcohol or anger management group, it's the Religion group cleanhippie Mar 2014 #50

Yes, it's not the dead toddler group. rug Mar 2014 #59

Should we rename it the Dead Toddler Killed By Religious Wingnut Group? cleanhippie Mar 2014 #68

No. How about the Playpen Group? rug Mar 2014 #73

Sounds like The Lounge, which we already have. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #77

The Lounge has more class and honesty than this thread. rug Mar 2014 #80

Yet here you are... cleanhippie Mar 2014 #85

I have boots to wade through the horseshit on my way to the rational threads. rug Mar 2014 #89

Riiiggghhht. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #91

Careful there, let me just take a step. rug Mar 2014 #95

Here, a religious father killed an atheist child. Nobody noticed? Because he was a nonbeliever. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #172

Anf you have a safe haven group okasha Mar 2014 #74

Anytime you want to respond with something of substance, I'll be here. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #75

You confuse projection with reflection. rug Mar 2014 #84

If by reflection, she is looking in a mirror, I would agree. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #87

Then you wouldn't agree. rug Mar 2014 #92

You two should just move in together - mr blur Mar 2014 #57

Talking to you feels like I'm already there. rug Mar 2014 #58

What do you mean by normal folks? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #116

Hey okasha, do you know where the normal people hang out? rug Mar 2014 #60

iNo safe haven for "normal folks" on DU, okasha Mar 2014 #81

In dealing with heretics and demons, some believers are more zealous than others. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #23

Sad story. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #24

What are you talking about - the child's death was caused by untreated mental illness dem in texas Mar 2014 #27

Correction to post above - I am NOT a fan of conservative religions, dem in texas Mar 2014 #28

many religions teach that demonic possession is real. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #31

Any scientist will tell you the etiology of mental illnness lies in the human body not beliefs. rug Mar 2014 #32

Not exactly. The body and the mind effect each other. Ideas effect mental state, and bodily state Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #45

If you think abstract ideas cause mental illness you're peddling woo. rug Mar 2014 #55

Mental ideas, talking, effect mental health. Said Freud. And much of Psychology. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #159

I think I might willingly describe the drowning of a three-year old as a demonic act struggle4progress Mar 2014 #36

Look, you are engaged in equivocation. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #40

"Equivocation" (as logical fallacy) does not consist (as you suppose) of using a word struggle4progress Mar 2014 #42

"misleading use of a term with more than one meaning". Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #44

Then point out exactly which word I misleadingly used twice with different meanings struggle4progress Mar 2014 #124

I think 'bullshitting' may be a more succinct term for your posts on this muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #47

So you dislike describing the drowning of a three-year old as "demonic" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #64

This shows, again, how you want to divert from religion as the subject muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #71

Your excerpt doesn't seem to me to support your analysis struggle4progress Mar 2014 #105

It is one thing to say "I think democracy exists" and rather another to say "I believe in democracy" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #123

more equivocation on your part - "believing in democracy" is about thinking it a Good Thing muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #125

No, equivocation is the changing of the meaning of a term in the course of an argument: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #152

You are arguing that "believing in demons" is like "believing in democracy" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #153

It might be both. bravenak Mar 2014 #29

"... mental health experts .. said Washington's symptoms sounded like schizophrenia ..." struggle4progress Mar 2014 #33

Now, now. okasha Mar 2014 #34

Shame on me for actually following the link in the OP to read what was written there struggle4progress Mar 2014 #37

You know you weren't supposed to do that. okasha Mar 2014 #38

And there very well could be. trotsky Mar 2014 #41

Please explain the litmus test to tell the difference. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #48

There must also be a lot of incidents skepticscott Mar 2014 #39

I'm unaware of any reliable source of statistics that could illuminate your claim struggle4progress Mar 2014 #62

You worked all day on that, eh? skepticscott Mar 2014 #97

On average, over a recent multi-decade period, eight (8) children per day were killed by a parent struggle4progress Mar 2014 #120

Interesting point. phil89 Mar 2014 #93

You can be reasonably sure that if there were skepticscott Mar 2014 #99

Does Schizophrenia have adult or infant baptism? rug Mar 2014 #96

IIRC the Church of Schizophrenia has a very individualistic creed, allowing struggle4progress Mar 2014 #109

Is it a branch of the Unitarians? rug Mar 2014 #110

I'm sure I wouldn't know struggle4progress Mar 2014 #118

Experts, who had not examined Washington, said it "sounds like" schizophrenia? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #171

And then there are the claims that "religion is indistinguishable from psychopathology!" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #176

Lawyer: Man who admitted killing 3-year-old son 'nearly incomprehensible' after crime struggle4progress Mar 2014 #35

He was "nearly" incomprehensible - but clearly citing religious motives, over and over Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #46

I have no idea exactly what "religious motive" means to you or what hard evidence you can exhibit struggle4progress Mar 2014 #69

Enough already Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #76

+1. The cognitive dissonance here is stupefying. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #78

I'm disinclined to spend $40 to get access to that article struggle4progress Mar 2014 #100

You're not saying skepticscott Mar 2014 #107

Did you read the article? If so, what did you find interesting in it? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #108

It was your post I found interesting skepticscott Mar 2014 #117

Although I had suspected your predilection for personal remarks, I must admit I was surprised struggle4progress Mar 2014 #119

I read the article.Here's what I found interesting in it. As it links Religious"Delusions" to murder Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #175

Your inclinations don't concern me Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #111

Did you read the article? If so, what did you find interesting in it? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #112

I'm a bit confused by your claim that a 2006 article can corroborate the findings of a 2011 article struggle4progress Mar 2014 #113

Among the growing list of things that do not concern me: your inability to access scholarly journals Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #121

An "argument" for a "model," intended to encourage "more discussion," does not add up to "findings" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #122

Your litany of semantic nitpickings do not add up to "argument" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #133

Translation: "I didn't read the article either" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #148

One thing we can say for certain is... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #150

Here are some evidence-based articles not hidden behind paywalls struggle4progress Mar 2014 #151

Yawn. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #190

... trotsky Mar 2014 #191

Don't overlook THIS part Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #194

Religion A Contributing Factor In Father Who Kills His Child rug Mar 2014 #103

YOU ARE BLIND. The accused used religious language, and described his motive this way Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #134

In the US, there are about eight murders daily of a child by a parent struggle4progress Mar 2014 #139

Two years of psychological evaluation - whose results are not yet definitive Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #140

Perhaps what's not yet definitive from the psychiatric evaluation struggle4progress Mar 2014 #145

4 (not 99?): That's speculative. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #162

Your "religion is indistinguishable from psychopathology" is just trolling for reaction struggle4progress Mar 2014 #169

Clinical research here found Religion inextricably intermixed with mental "delusion" in filicide: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #179

Your reading of the article seems implausible, not only because the excerpts, that you provide, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #186

Religious readers miss the second, critical voice in religious writing. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #192

Maybe he was so moved by the Holy Spirit Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #49

OK you've convinced me there is a god rock Mar 2014 #51

I thought that observation was self-evident. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #52

When you combine schizophrenic tendencies with religious fundamentalism this outcome is expected blm Mar 2014 #53

No we've been told in no uncertain terms that there is absolutely no connection, and to state Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #54

Yes, Google has spoken skepticscott Mar 2014 #61

I mean no disrespect when I ponder where we would find the line. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #65

This post above addresses the question you raise. cleanhippie Mar 2014 #79

Analysis: 32 years of U.S. filicide arrests struggle4progress Mar 2014 #104

"Religious Delusions and Filicide: A Psychodynamic Model," came to slightly different conclusions Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #177

Thank you for your concern goldent Mar 2014 #129

YOUR religion does not drown children? But historically much of it did similar things. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #193