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Goblinmonger

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35. I completely understand that and believe the girl

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:03 AM

Mar 2014

But I am also an atheist and know the attitudes toward them. And you are certainly aware of the U of Minnesota study that puts us at the bottom of the trust pile so even though you aren't an atheist, you should be aware of how society perceives us. I have no reason to disbelieve Knief. What she said rings true to my experience (though certainly not an identical one) and studies have supported that individual perception. The bank response sounds like typical cover-your-ass press release.

Is is a horrible offense? Not in the big scheme of horrible offenses? Is it shitty? Yes. Would it be nice if progressive theists actually said "hey, that's shitty" rather than dismissing it and say we'll never know (and not saying that about conflicting stories in the other case)? Yeah. It would be mind blowing.

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Is there a double standard in this Group between atheists and believers? [View all] Goblinmonger Mar 2014 OP

A certain amount of that might be disdain for Silverman el_bryanto Mar 2014 #1

Apples and oranges... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #2

Not comparing the outcomes. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #3

The school is on the record for what it did... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #6

Don't bullshit me Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #8

They objected to her not being... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #12

That quotation and others from their press release Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #13

And I wanted this as a separate discussion. "Invented crap to screw her up"? Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #4

Yeah. That's about it. TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #5

So if I called your religious beliefs that Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #7

Atheists do call theists beliefs crap all the time, don't they? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #9

And that goes without comment from the theists? Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #10

This is a line I've heard before - that if I am going to be a theist i have to be respectful of all el_bryanto Mar 2014 #14

I think it is a little different perspective than that. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #15

I've had that suggested to me several times - the leave the religion forum line el_bryanto Mar 2014 #18

Not what I'm saying Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #19

See you say that in the lightest and most benign way possible el_bryanto Mar 2014 #20

I love the circular reasoning found primarily with those... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #16

That's not circular Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #17

It's quite round... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #27

So by your definition Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #32

Once upon a time, okasha Mar 2014 #25

Nice strawman Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #31

Well, then, assuming your observation is correct (which it isn't), does it offend you? rug Mar 2014 #37

Delusion, mental illness, okasha Mar 2014 #24

And those words are used here to describe fundamentalist beliefs Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #33

You really can't have it both ways. okasha Mar 2014 #43

Sorry. That was a typo. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #46

No, bullshit is rebutted pretty uniformly. There's just been a lot more from you lately. rug Mar 2014 #11

No, bullshit is propounded pretty uniformly. There's just been a lot more from you lately. mr blur Mar 2014 #21

QED rug Mar 2014 #22

Every time someone in this forum offers an interpretation of a Biblical passage, okasha Mar 2014 #23

Wait-and-see is a great response Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #34

This is just the half of it! goldent Mar 2014 #26

Maybe personal experiences play a role struggle4progress Mar 2014 #28

I completely understand that and believe the girl Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #35

Let me try again: "Amanda Knief may have trouble telling the truth." Is that better? Some links: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #44

Except you're wrong Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #47

(1) She claimed NJ has no law preventing notary discrimination against atheists; the ACLU said, no, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #49

NO. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #51

That is a fascinating distinction. Is it your view that no one may ever, under any circumstances, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #56

I think more needs to be done so bigots Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #57

Is there a common ground among atheists, theists and all those along that broad spectrum? pinto Mar 2014 #29

The author of the first link in your OP seems badly confused struggle4progress Mar 2014 #30

I'll be honest with you right now. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #36

Really? And exactly what "bigger issue" did you think that link raises? struggle4progress Mar 2014 #38

I'm not going to self delete Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #39

If you have concerns about how the group is hosted, feel free to start a thread about that struggle4progress Mar 2014 #40

Perhaps I already did. n/t Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #41

It's odd that you feel compelled to mention me twice in this post while claiming to ignore me. rug Mar 2014 #42

What are you saying here? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #45

Seriously, dude. I really want to like you. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #48

Well you will notice I didn't question the story about the teller. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #50

But this isn't about digging deeper Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #52

Maybe it was because of who was making the claim in the teller story. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #53

And why is that? Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #54

I don't know. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #55

Religious people, particularly Christians are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #58

It's hard to credit anyone who routinely considers a god to be a colander. rug Mar 2014 #59

I have had exactly the opposite experience Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #60

Why do none of us believe skepticscott Mar 2014 #61

Here is a link to the actual post Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #65

Wow, exactly as predicted skepticscott Mar 2014 #66

Gosh, I complain TWICE or even THREE TIMES about how it was acceptable Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #73

To quote you skepticscott Mar 2014 #74

I notice that you don't give a damn about the double standard Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #76

Oh for fuck's sake Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #81

No, I am bringing up the fact that Skepticscott FALSELY called me a liar Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #85

Yawn skepticscott Mar 2014 #86

Hey, if you want to do this in private, get a room Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #87

OK Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #88

There have been several insults hurled by boths sides that have been hidden and left. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #64

I think it should also be noted LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #62

Because no two people woud lie against one person, never happened in the history of mankind and Leontius Mar 2014 #63

Didn't say that LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #75

I think you should have used the word hyperbole Leontius Mar 2014 #79

Yes, because we all know atheists lie. Right? Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #84

What a maroon. Leontius Mar 2014 #90

What a twit. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #91

Sorry Bugs tops whatever thanks for playing. Leontius Mar 2014 #92

Bugs is great. Doesn't top Monty Python. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #93

I really miss when PBS was worth watching. Leontius Mar 2014 #94

I think the reason for the differing responses okasha Mar 2014 #67

She got kicked out of the school Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #68

You just said it yourself. okasha Mar 2014 #69

What she was kicked out of school for Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #71

No, I don't say that about the ACLU. okasha Mar 2014 #72

I know you didn't say that about the ACLU Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #82

There's a huge difference between bullying a child and having someone else notarizing your name. rug Mar 2014 #70

what bank? Deep13 Mar 2014 #77

See�this thread: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #78

I did link to both threads in the OP Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #83

Notarize the document or turn in the notary seal. Deep13 Mar 2014 #80

I don't think much of Silverman and co. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #89