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80. Are you proposing a physics-based "ethics system"?

Reply to ladjf (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:30 AM

Apr 2014

Some clarification would be helpful.

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Is religion a source of unity or division? [View all] cbayer Mar 2014 OP

Division exboyfil Mar 2014 #1

One can find biblical passages to support either answer. cbayer Mar 2014 #3

Which ones? exboyfil Mar 2014 #9

Cherry picking can go both ways. cbayer Mar 2014 #14

Well said! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #16

And you're the "decider" Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #19

Apparently you did not get cbayer's point. longship Apr 2014 #56

You made the argument below skepticscott Apr 2014 #57

Apparently you DID NOT get cbayer's point Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #60

I would agree with your point. longship Apr 2014 #65

I don't think that is the general consensus of theists here Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #71

Giving the context for those quotes skepticscott Mar 2014 #20

Agenda? What agenda, pray tell. (So to speak) nt longship Apr 2014 #54

Oh, so you've volunteered skepticscott Apr 2014 #58

It sure can. No one disputes that. trotsky Mar 2014 #22

Her point is that one can use the Bible to support just about anything. longship Apr 2014 #55

If the Bible supports ANYthing, then we should not quote it at all. Since it's actually equivocal Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #59

It sure can. I totally agree. trotsky Apr 2014 #64

Where the Bible talks about living with all in harmony exboyfil Mar 2014 #25

Again, you are cherry picking and your conclusion that the overall theme is one of cbayer Mar 2014 #29

Revelation ends with exboyfil Mar 2014 #34

I find the bible unifying but I see how you disagree. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #36

Revelation? Do you actually read revelation literally? cbayer Mar 2014 #37

Personally I don't think Revelation should have been included in the bible. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #38

There's a bunch of stuff I think could have been left out, lol. cbayer Mar 2014 #39

If "cherry-picking" is not legitimate ... then what about your advocacy of the cherries you like? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #75

Where did I say cherry picking was not legitimate? cbayer Apr 2014 #77

The verses that you cherry picked to show the "good" part of the Bible stopbush Apr 2014 #101

You just continue to make my point. cbayer Apr 2014 #88

Unity like that is actually division. eomer Apr 2014 #87

Of course they are great examples of how using a very short excerpt can cbayer Apr 2014 #89

The point is, why do people need the Bible for that? skepticscott Apr 2014 #91

Okay, but if one gets a positive message from a section that actually said the opposite... eomer Apr 2014 #92

I can tell you this from my own experience. cbayer Apr 2014 #93

Here's the glaring flaw in all of that skepticscott Apr 2014 #94

You've pointed out the crux of that which our friend CBayer doesn't see stopbush Apr 2014 #108

Not only doesn't she see it skepticscott Apr 2014 #112

Sadly,yes. She frames issues in as narrow a way as possible. Then, when challenged within stopbush Apr 2014 #114

Exactly skepticscott Apr 2014 #115

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #109

You seem determined to follow me around everywhere skepticscott Apr 2014 #110

Fortunately, anyone who reads that thread without bias can see you demonstrated no such thing. rug Apr 2014 #111

And yet another noise blast skepticscott Apr 2014 #113

I think "noise blast" is an apt description of skepticscott's posts Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #119

Hence the call for context of those quotes skepticscott Apr 2014 #90

Brethren and sisteren AlbertCat Apr 2014 #100

Yes, one certainly can. trotsky Mar 2014 #10

So how did the Jews come to God the Father, as it seemed - before Jesus was alive? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #72

One theory that I heard exboyfil Apr 2014 #82

Unifying for those IN the same sect Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #2

Correct! trotsky Mar 2014 #12

And of course sects keep exboyfil Mar 2014 #13

And of course sects forming like a hydra AlbertCat Apr 2014 #102

For me unifying. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #4

And the world could use more of you. cbayer Mar 2014 #7

Lol I have plenty of faults but thank you. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #8

Yes. Deep13 Mar 2014 #5

Exactly. It can be either and has been both. cbayer Mar 2014 #6

I don't think I will be able to attend, so no basis for an opinion. Deep13 Mar 2014 #11

I think it was invitation only. cbayer Mar 2014 #17

I think it was invitation only. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #103

Were any atheists invited to this conference? trotsky Mar 2014 #15

Count up the number of skepticscott Mar 2014 #18

Religion usually supports anti-science based subjective thinking, a dangerous policy. nt ladjf Mar 2014 #21

While there are some religious groups that do support anti-science based cbayer Mar 2014 #23

My post was my comment on the question about religious groups tendency toward unity or divisiveness. ladjf Mar 2014 #24

I know what subjective means, I just didn't understand how you were using cbayer Mar 2014 #27

Ethics systems based on subjective thinking alone are dangerous guidelines. It some cases, they may ladjf Mar 2014 #33

How does one base ethic systems on science? cbayer Mar 2014 #35

Ethics are entirely subjective? Are you kidding me? stopbush Apr 2014 #116

Are you proposing a physics-based "ethics system"? LTX Apr 2014 #80

Yes, I am suggesting that ethics should be based upon the ladjf Apr 2014 #81

Well, if you ever do decide to provide explanations for your views, LTX Apr 2014 #84

LTX, thank you for your insightful questions and ideas. ladjf Apr 2014 #95

While there are some religious groups that do support anti-science AlbertCat Apr 2014 #104

It empowers both but... deathrind Mar 2014 #26

I think the jury is out on whether there has been more division than unity. cbayer Mar 2014 #28

Funny that you... deathrind Mar 2014 #30

How are you liking jury duty? cbayer Mar 2014 #31

The deathrind Mar 2014 #32

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #40

Asking him if her were religious or an atheist should have been a dead cbayer Mar 2014 #41

Holy Wars, Jihads The River Mar 2014 #42

While I agree that religion is part of the evolutionary process and evolves, cbayer Mar 2014 #43

Religion will be replaced The River Mar 2014 #44

I don't believe that will ever happen. cbayer Mar 2014 #45

Figures... The River Mar 2014 #46

I wouldn't read either, to be honest Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #47

According to Chopra The River Mar 2014 #49

Ah. I'm stupid. That explains it! Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #50

Read it or don't. Makes no difference to me. Anyway, it's not my bible. cbayer Apr 2014 #62

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #105

For Native Americans okasha Mar 2014 #48

Divisive SamKnause Mar 2014 #51

Subjugation and division actually on point Apr 2014 #52

I love all the Bible quotes in this thread. longship Apr 2014 #53

So, as a book, it isn't a good basis for a moral code. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #61

I love the ventriloquist dummy analogy and that was exactly my point. cbayer Apr 2014 #63

Well it depends on how you think the Bible should be read. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #66

Good point. cbayer Apr 2014 #67

How is it a cheap shot? A cheap shot implies that it isn't a fair criticism. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #68

I don't believe that the bible should be taken literally. cbayer Apr 2014 #69

Well, that is your belief. Many people disagree with you. trotsky Apr 2014 #70

I don't think that's what I did. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #73

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what we are debating here. cbayer Apr 2014 #74

I guess the question would be have they missed the good parts? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #85

Agree. It's the absolutist statement that are problematic, imo. cbayer Apr 2014 #86

Division - By Design cantbeserious Apr 2014 #76

FEAR vs. FEAR JEFF9K Apr 2014 #78

I think that's true to some extent. cbayer Apr 2014 #79

Good point. JEFF9K Apr 2014 #83

I don't know how many people feel that way. goldent Apr 2014 #96

unity Deomocritus318 Apr 2014 #97

Ch 42 Deomocritus318 Apr 2014 #98

Welcome to DU! rug Apr 2014 #99

Tribes. PassingFair Apr 2014 #106

As usual, the fallacy of complex question Trajan Apr 2014 #107

Historically speaking, it's natural for all Christian sects to battle each other Warpy Apr 2014 #117

Both. Unity of Group. Division of groups. mmonk Apr 2014 #118