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In reply to the discussion: She sent them to heaven. [View all]

struggle4progress

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10. It's really not at all clear to me what happened here. There are at least two prior incidents
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 02:57 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Thu Apr 3, 2014, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

that, in light of these events, may be read as murder attempts: the child left locked in the 112F car, and the two children run over by the van. There is an indication of mens rea: after submerging the children under water until they stopped struggling, the woman changed into dry clothes before reporting that the children might have drowned. Her explanation has sinced varied: she later said that she thought she's be a better mother to the oldest if the two younger were gone and that the two younger would be in heaven; still later she said that crazy voices made her do it

She might be non compos mentis but there are other possibilities:

Wouldn't it be a fuckin tragedy if this brat baked to death in a hot car? Crap. That didn't work. Well, wouldn't it be a fuckin tragedy if somebody accidentally ran over these two brats? Crap. That didn't work either. Well, wouldn't it just be the biggest fuckin tragedy if these two fuckin brats accidentally drowned in the fuckin bathtub? Now I change into dry clothes and call 911. Crap. This isn't working either. I'll tell them I wanted to be a better mother to the oldest. Is it working now? I'll tell them I think the boys are in heaven. Crap. That didn't work. I'll tell them the crazy voices made me do it

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She sent them to heaven. [View all] Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 OP
Fanaticism doxydad Apr 2014 #1
Religion was just an excuse skepticscott Apr 2014 #2
It's really not at all clear to me what happened here. There are at least two prior incidents struggle4progress Apr 2014 #10
So you've constructed this whole scenario Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #12
I added links to my prior post to help you understand the sequence better struggle4progress Apr 2014 #14
Oh thanks. Perhaps you could repost your prior posts again too. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #16
OK: "... Schlemmer told police she thought she could be a better mother to her 7-year-old son if struggle4progress Apr 2014 #18
And for YOU, the reference to sending the kids to "heaven" just doesn't exist? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #30
See my #25 downthread: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #34
If she truly thought heaven Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #28
Not the first attempt, apparently BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #3
Schizophrenic nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #4
Very sad. In_The_Wind Apr 2014 #5
... Schlemmer told police she thought she could be a better mother to her 7-year-old son ... struggle4progress Apr 2014 #6
A western Pennsylvania woman accused of drowning one of her young sons and critically injuring struggle4progress Apr 2014 #7
... She said “crazy voices” told her to push the boys under the water. At one point, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #8
... Schlemmer faces a preliminary hearing April 11. Other charges against her include struggle4progress Apr 2014 #9
I await with bated breath the next installment in the Religion Group of dead babies. rug Apr 2014 #11
Since it's a complete mystery to me, I'm posting this picture of a volkswagen struggle4progress Apr 2014 #13
That looks remarkably like a troll. rug Apr 2014 #15
I think it's a volkswagen struggle4progress Apr 2014 #17
I think it is a troll obsessed by religion that is attempting to crush a Volkswagen. goldent Apr 2014 #20
It's a volkswagen! I refuse to see anything but a volkswagen! It obviously fell off the bridge! struggle4progress Apr 2014 #26
I blame religion. The Nazis made the Volkswagen and religion made the Nazis. rug Apr 2014 #31
You left out intellectual dishonesty okasha Apr 2014 #35
Why are you ignoring the volkswagen? It's only the biggest thing in the picture! struggle4progress Apr 2014 #43
Yup, that was her religious belief. trotsky Apr 2014 #19
... her first version of events — that she found her boys unconscious after they had been playing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #21
... Allegheny Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey Manning ordered Schlemmer to undergo struggle4progress Apr 2014 #22
Child welfare officials are scrutinizing the case of a woman accused of drowning one of her sons struggle4progress Apr 2014 #23
... After pulling the children from the water, Schlemmer told police she didn’t attempt CPR struggle4progress Apr 2014 #24
What we know so far: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #25
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #29
At every baptism I've attended the priest sat on the child. rug Apr 2014 #32
Another VW. okasha Apr 2014 #41
Why did you leave out the religious motive in your laundry list? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #33
The poster appears to favor a gish-gallop approach. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #36
The Gish Gallop! That's it! trotsky Apr 2014 #40
Maybe it will be easier for you to read and understand if I reformat it and add comments: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #44
You are deliberately misstating or avoiding the statement in the OP Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #45
Nope. I'm arguing from the most complete quote I've found: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #50
That link is there. That wording has not been posted by you. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #52
This makes me absolutely Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #27
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #37
"atheist bigots"? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #38
What a lovely fellow indeed. trotsky Apr 2014 #39
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #42
We must always remember how religion inspires murder el_bryanto Apr 2014 #46
We must always remember Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #47
That's what i said - religion inspires murder. Didn't you read my post? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #48
Your post read kind of sarcasm-y Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #49
You didn't read it wrong skepticscott Apr 2014 #51
Yeah. Pretty sure the sarcasm meter isn't broken Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #53
The truly sad part is that the poster is clueless regarding religion and murder. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #55
Oh, do dare. rug Apr 2014 #63
Where did Laurel Schlemmer get the idea of drowning her children in the bathtub? struggle4progress Apr 2014 #54
Did they believe in haven, too? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #57
Flanagan's alleged motive was revenge against her ex-husband; this seems to be struggle4progress Apr 2014 #59
I don't recall asking anything about motive. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #60
Nothing prevents you from researching that yourself or from attempting some cogent argument struggle4progress Apr 2014 #62
I figured I would ask the expert... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #139
Maybe from Noah. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #58
She's given perhaps four different explanations, none of which seem to mention Noah: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #61
Maybe from brain chemistry. But that would be too obvious to be useful, wouldn't it? rug Apr 2014 #64
Abraham i think. bravenak Apr 2014 #65
She's given perhaps four different explanations, none of which seem to mention Abraham: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #90
Why would she need to mention Abraham? bravenak Apr 2014 #130
Incredibly sad story. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #56
Here's the damndest part. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #66
What you might be able to objectively prove, however, is that she left her oldest struggle4progress Apr 2014 #67
and yet maybe god told her to do all those things Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #74
God 'told' Abraham to use a knife. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #87
The notion, that Judaism commands child-sacrifice, is common anti-semitism, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #89
Thr story of Abraham and Isaac okasha Apr 2014 #136
Yeah, you can get that anti-semitism brush the FUCK away from me. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #141
Someone pissed in his cereal yesterday Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #147
I suppose I can understand a little grumpiness from a host AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #148
Also, I never said it JUSTIFIED it. That's a strawman. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #150
I agree, you cannot "objectively prove" she didn't hear the voice of god telling her to do it. LTX Apr 2014 #68
The point is exactly the reverse skepticscott Apr 2014 #69
Similarly, can you name any bad act LTX Apr 2014 #70
Yes, easily...Ask any of the many people in history skepticscott Apr 2014 #71
Well, aren't you the combative one. LTX Apr 2014 #72
I did re-read it skepticscott Apr 2014 #73
But of course, your "direct question" is by its very nature LTX Apr 2014 #75
The tactic of trying to skepticscott Apr 2014 #79
You certainly know your own liturgy well. LTX Apr 2014 #91
People on this board who refuse skepticscott Apr 2014 #100
And people on this board who simply refuse to read what is posted LTX Apr 2014 #106
Thanks, I've read what you've posted skepticscott Apr 2014 #109
You're a perfect nitwit. Over and out. n/t LTX Apr 2014 #122
I was wrong skepticscott Apr 2014 #133
Welcome to the Religion Group! rug Apr 2014 #142
I have dipped in here now and again over the years, and LTX Apr 2014 #143
It's really not "the atheist side of the debate". rug Apr 2014 #144
Apparently you still can't resist further discussion skepticscott Apr 2014 #112
You know, I'll also add that I don't think you even know LTX Apr 2014 #94
I'm willing to allow/recognize the self-professed motivation in the case of good acts. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #88
I'm not sure a tally is really possible. LTX Apr 2014 #92
You'll first have to provide a usable definition of "religion" to carry out that program struggle4progress Apr 2014 #108
We try! Lordquinton Apr 2014 #140
Well, if you really actually and truly believe in Heaven Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #76
I believe in heaven but I don't look foward to death or leaving early. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #77
What if your god informed you that leaving early was Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #78
God doesn't tell people to leave early. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #80
God informed this person that she should send her kids to heaven. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #81
Did she say that? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #82
No, I said that. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #83
I don't think God tells people to kill people. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #85
Is that just you cherry-picking the Bible again? skepticscott Apr 2014 #103
Anymore? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #149
Yes I believe the NT divine revelation period is over. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #151
According to the Ursuline nuns okasha Apr 2014 #137
It saddens me that some take a disgusting almost joyess gloating over the Leontius Apr 2014 #84
Nobody is gloating Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #86
I am glad at least that you have the courage to examine yourself . Leontius Apr 2014 #93
"examine myself"? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #95
Yeah, examine yourself. rug Apr 2014 #96
Nope. He sees it as gloating because it is gloating. okasha Apr 2014 #97
If that atheist mother Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #98
You're dodging the question. okasha Apr 2014 #138
And again you're dodging the point skepticscott Apr 2014 #145
So here's a challenge. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #146
Will this do? LTX Apr 2014 #152
Is that a mother killing her kids because of her atheism? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #153
Ok. Too many dead. But I'm not really understanding your sub-point. LTX Apr 2014 #154
Not really the point of the discussion here Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #155
I understand. LTX Apr 2014 #156
And, I think this is worth a separate discussion, Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #99
And yet another skepticscott Apr 2014 #110
And all you can do is imagine it, okasha skepticscott Apr 2014 #101
Suicide is more likely. rug Apr 2014 #107
People who loose their faith can take it very hard at times. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #111
Second son of Laurel Michelle Schlemmer dies struggle4progress Apr 2014 #102
This is so sad! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #105
Allegheny employee fired after leak of 911 call struggle4progress Apr 2014 #104
bah, sending kids to heaven EvilAL Apr 2014 #113
They are waiting on the mental health tests. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #114
Ahhh yes, the mental health tests EvilAL Apr 2014 #115
No people will look to the tests to see if she had mental health issues. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #116
Every fucking time someone kills EvilAL Apr 2014 #117
But we don't know why she killed them. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #118
Does it matter what she says as the reason she killed them? EvilAL Apr 2014 #119
They are dead so it won't bring them back but the family might want to know. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #120
Well she lies either way. EvilAL Apr 2014 #121
Why would I prefer either? It is a tragedy no matter which reason it is. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #123
It is a tragedy, I'll rephrase, EvilAL Apr 2014 #124
People kill people in the name of religion all the time. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #125
Yeah, they do it all the time, EvilAL Apr 2014 #126
Depends on the person. Some are violent by their nature. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #128
Violent by their nature? EvilAL Apr 2014 #131
Some people are more violent than others. that is what I mean. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #132
Sure, some are. EvilAL Apr 2014 #134
Yes some people get violent because they are taught their religion demands it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #135
The preliminary hearing is scheduled for Friday. Until then struggle4progress Apr 2014 #127
Ok, thanks for the update. nt EvilAL Apr 2014 #129
Pa. mom accused of drowning kids found mentally incompetent struggle4progress Apr 2014 #157
McCandless mother ruled unfit for trial, sent to state hospital struggle4progress Apr 2014 #158
Psychiatrist: Pennsylvania woman accused of drowning 2 sons in tub is mentally incompetent struggle4progress Apr 2014 #159
Thanks for the continued Gish Galloping, s4p. trotsky Apr 2014 #160
And also thanks s4p for keeping this thread alive! Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #161
If the story is worth discussing, we should get all the facts struggle4progress Apr 2014 #162
You made three separate posts stating the same single fact. trotsky Apr 2014 #163
Actually, all three contain different info: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #164
True to the Gish Gallop method to the end. trotsky Apr 2014 #165
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