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trotsky

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160. Thanks for the continued Gish Galloping, s4p.

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:37 AM

Apr 2014

"even if their crime may have been fueled by delusions"

Thus her religious beliefs were delusions I guess. I wonder how you tell the delusional ones from the real ones.

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She sent them to heaven. [View all] Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 OP

Fanaticism doxydad Apr 2014 #1

Religion was just an excuse skepticscott Apr 2014 #2

It's really not at all clear to me what happened here. There are at least two prior incidents struggle4progress Apr 2014 #10

So you've constructed this whole scenario Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #12

I added links to my prior post to help you understand the sequence better struggle4progress Apr 2014 #14

Oh thanks. Perhaps you could repost your prior posts again too. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #16

OK: "... Schlemmer told police she thought she could be a better mother to her 7-year-old son if struggle4progress Apr 2014 #18

And for YOU, the reference to sending the kids to "heaven" just doesn't exist? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #30

See my #25 downthread: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #34

If she truly thought heaven Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #28

Not the first attempt, apparently BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #3

Schizophrenic nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #4

Very sad. In_The_Wind Apr 2014 #5

... Schlemmer told police she thought she could be a better mother to her 7-year-old son ... struggle4progress Apr 2014 #6

A western Pennsylvania woman accused of drowning one of her young sons and critically injuring struggle4progress Apr 2014 #7

... She said �crazy voices� told her to push the boys under the water. At one point, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #8

... Schlemmer faces a preliminary hearing April 11. Other charges against her include struggle4progress Apr 2014 #9

I await with bated breath the next installment in the Religion Group of dead babies. rug Apr 2014 #11

Since it's a complete mystery to me, I'm posting this picture of a volkswagen struggle4progress Apr 2014 #13

That looks remarkably like a troll. rug Apr 2014 #15

I think it's a volkswagen struggle4progress Apr 2014 #17

I think it is a troll obsessed by religion that is attempting to crush a Volkswagen. goldent Apr 2014 #20

It's a volkswagen! I refuse to see anything but a volkswagen! It obviously fell off the bridge! struggle4progress Apr 2014 #26

I blame religion. The Nazis made the Volkswagen and religion made the Nazis. rug Apr 2014 #31

You left out intellectual dishonesty okasha Apr 2014 #35

Why are you ignoring the volkswagen? It's only the biggest thing in the picture! struggle4progress Apr 2014 #43

Yup, that was her religious belief. trotsky Apr 2014 #19

... her first version of events � that she found her boys unconscious after they had been playing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #21

... Allegheny Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey Manning ordered Schlemmer to undergo struggle4progress Apr 2014 #22

Child welfare officials are scrutinizing the case of a woman accused of drowning one of her sons struggle4progress Apr 2014 #23

... After pulling the children from the water, Schlemmer told police she didn�t attempt CPR struggle4progress Apr 2014 #24

What we know so far: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #25

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #29

At every baptism I've attended the priest sat on the child. rug Apr 2014 #32

Another VW. okasha Apr 2014 #41

Why did you leave out the religious motive in your laundry list? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #33

The poster appears to favor a gish-gallop approach. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #36

The Gish Gallop! That's it! trotsky Apr 2014 #40

Maybe it will be easier for you to read and understand if I reformat it and add comments: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #44

You are deliberately misstating or avoiding the statement in the OP Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #45

Nope. I'm arguing from the most complete quote I've found: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #50

That link is there. That wording has not been posted by you. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #52

This makes me absolutely Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #27

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #37

"atheist bigots"? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #38

What a lovely fellow indeed. trotsky Apr 2014 #39

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We must always remember how religion inspires murder el_bryanto Apr 2014 #46

We must always remember Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #47

That's what i said - religion inspires murder. Didn't you read my post? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #48

Your post read kind of sarcasm-y Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #49

You didn't read it wrong skepticscott Apr 2014 #51

Yeah. Pretty sure the sarcasm meter isn't broken Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #53

The truly sad part is that the poster is clueless regarding religion and murder. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #55

Oh, do dare. rug Apr 2014 #63

Where did Laurel Schlemmer get the idea of drowning her children in the bathtub? struggle4progress Apr 2014 #54

Did they believe in haven, too? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #57

Flanagan's alleged motive was revenge against her ex-husband; this seems to be struggle4progress Apr 2014 #59

I don't recall asking anything about motive. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #60

Nothing prevents you from researching that yourself or from attempting some cogent argument struggle4progress Apr 2014 #62

I figured I would ask the expert... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #139

Maybe from Noah. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #58

She's given perhaps four different explanations, none of which seem to mention Noah: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #61

Maybe from brain chemistry. But that would be too obvious to be useful, wouldn't it? rug Apr 2014 #64

Abraham i think. bravenak Apr 2014 #65

She's given perhaps four different explanations, none of which seem to mention Abraham: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #90

Why would she need to mention Abraham? bravenak Apr 2014 #130

Incredibly sad story. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #56

Here's the damndest part. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #66

What you might be able to objectively prove, however, is that she left her oldest struggle4progress Apr 2014 #67

and yet maybe god told her to do all those things Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #74

God 'told' Abraham to use a knife. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #87

The notion, that Judaism commands child-sacrifice, is common anti-semitism, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #89

Thr story of Abraham and Isaac okasha Apr 2014 #136

Yeah, you can get that anti-semitism brush the FUCK away from me. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #141

Someone pissed in his cereal yesterday Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #147

I suppose I can understand a little grumpiness from a host AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #148

Also, I never said it JUSTIFIED it. That's a strawman. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #150

I agree, you cannot "objectively prove" she didn't hear the voice of god telling her to do it. LTX Apr 2014 #68

The point is exactly the reverse skepticscott Apr 2014 #69

Similarly, can you name any bad act LTX Apr 2014 #70

Yes, easily...Ask any of the many people in history skepticscott Apr 2014 #71

Well, aren't you the combative one. LTX Apr 2014 #72

I did re-read it skepticscott Apr 2014 #73

But of course, your "direct question" is by its very nature LTX Apr 2014 #75

The tactic of trying to skepticscott Apr 2014 #79

You certainly know your own liturgy well. LTX Apr 2014 #91

People on this board who refuse skepticscott Apr 2014 #100

And people on this board who simply refuse to read what is posted LTX Apr 2014 #106

Thanks, I've read what you've posted skepticscott Apr 2014 #109

You're a perfect nitwit. Over and out. n/t LTX Apr 2014 #122

I was wrong skepticscott Apr 2014 #133

Welcome to the Religion Group! rug Apr 2014 #142

I have dipped in here now and again over the years, and LTX Apr 2014 #143

It's really not "the atheist side of the debate". rug Apr 2014 #144

Apparently you still can't resist further discussion skepticscott Apr 2014 #112

You know, I'll also add that I don't think you even know LTX Apr 2014 #94

I'm willing to allow/recognize the self-professed motivation in the case of good acts. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #88

I'm not sure a tally is really possible. LTX Apr 2014 #92

You'll first have to provide a usable definition of "religion" to carry out that program struggle4progress Apr 2014 #108

We try! Lordquinton Apr 2014 #140

Well, if you really actually and truly believe in Heaven Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #76

I believe in heaven but I don't look foward to death or leaving early. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #77

What if your god informed you that leaving early was Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #78

God doesn't tell people to leave early. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #80

God informed this person that she should send her kids to heaven. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #81

Did she say that? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #82

No, I said that. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #83

I don't think God tells people to kill people. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #85

Is that just you cherry-picking the Bible again? skepticscott Apr 2014 #103

Anymore? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #149

Yes I believe the NT divine revelation period is over. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #151

According to the Ursuline nuns okasha Apr 2014 #137

It saddens me that some take a disgusting almost joyess gloating over the Leontius Apr 2014 #84

Nobody is gloating Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #86

I am glad at least that you have the courage to examine yourself . Leontius Apr 2014 #93

"examine myself"? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #95

Yeah, examine yourself. rug Apr 2014 #96

Nope. He sees it as gloating because it is gloating. okasha Apr 2014 #97

If that atheist mother Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #98

You're dodging the question. okasha Apr 2014 #138

And again you're dodging the point skepticscott Apr 2014 #145

So here's a challenge. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #146

Will this do? LTX Apr 2014 #152

Is that a mother killing her kids because of her atheism? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #153

Ok. Too many dead. But I'm not really understanding your sub-point. LTX Apr 2014 #154

Not really the point of the discussion here Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #155

I understand. LTX Apr 2014 #156

And, I think this is worth a separate discussion, Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #99

And yet another skepticscott Apr 2014 #110

And all you can do is imagine it, okasha skepticscott Apr 2014 #101

Suicide is more likely. rug Apr 2014 #107

People who loose their faith can take it very hard at times. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #111

Second son of Laurel Michelle Schlemmer dies struggle4progress Apr 2014 #102

This is so sad! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #105

Allegheny employee fired after leak of 911 call struggle4progress Apr 2014 #104

bah, sending kids to heaven EvilAL Apr 2014 #113

They are waiting on the mental health tests. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #114

Ahhh yes, the mental health tests EvilAL Apr 2014 #115

No people will look to the tests to see if she had mental health issues. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #116

Every fucking time someone kills EvilAL Apr 2014 #117

But we don't know why she killed them. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #118

Does it matter what she says as the reason she killed them? EvilAL Apr 2014 #119

They are dead so it won't bring them back but the family might want to know. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #120

Well she lies either way. EvilAL Apr 2014 #121

Why would I prefer either? It is a tragedy no matter which reason it is. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #123

It is a tragedy, I'll rephrase, EvilAL Apr 2014 #124

People kill people in the name of religion all the time. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #125

Yeah, they do it all the time, EvilAL Apr 2014 #126

Depends on the person. Some are violent by their nature. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #128

Violent by their nature? EvilAL Apr 2014 #131

Some people are more violent than others. that is what I mean. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #132

Sure, some are. EvilAL Apr 2014 #134

Yes some people get violent because they are taught their religion demands it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #135

The preliminary hearing is scheduled for Friday. Until then struggle4progress Apr 2014 #127

Ok, thanks for the update. nt EvilAL Apr 2014 #129

Pa. mom accused of drowning kids found mentally incompetent struggle4progress Apr 2014 #157

McCandless mother ruled unfit for trial, sent to state hospital struggle4progress Apr 2014 #158

Psychiatrist: Pennsylvania woman accused of drowning 2 sons in tub is mentally incompetent struggle4progress Apr 2014 #159

Thanks for the continued Gish Galloping, s4p. trotsky Apr 2014 #160

And also thanks s4p for keeping this thread alive! Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #161

If the story is worth discussing, we should get all the facts struggle4progress Apr 2014 #162

You made three separate posts stating the same single fact. trotsky Apr 2014 #163

Actually, all three contain different info: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #164

True to the Gish Gallop method to the end. trotsky Apr 2014 #165