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LostOne4Ever

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285. Actually I do find the tribe meme interesting

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:43 AM

Apr 2014

Because I am constantly trying to re-asses my own biases as much as I can.

Just trying to make my original post to this thread I was constantly looking over the OP and the linked threads trying to decide what I really thought vs my own biases.

Did I really feel that the post was over the line or was I allowing my bias in favor of GM side color my vision. There is a big difference between merely noting that triblism exists and actually working against it.

If one is not careful one can end up having a counter-bias against one's own "tribe" in the pursuit of trying to be objective.

This can be seen in some of the "I'm an atheists, BUT..." articles we see in this forum. Those type of articles in particular im finding I have less and less tolerance for as they unintentionally promote the "all atheists are assholes" stereotype. Throw in tribalism and you can have the other tribe pouncing on the comments going "see see one of their own even admit the stereotype is true!!!"

I try my best to call out posters who go over the line (atheist and theist alike) as I see them, but often will sit back and think long and hard before doing so to make sure im not engaging in either bias or counter bias for my own group and making sure my words can't be used or twisted to further a stereotype I am trying very hard to disprove.

Sometimes, I just can't tell if im blinded by my own double standards and biases. From there, I figure that if I can't tell for sure if my objection is due to bias then my basis for the objection must be pretty weak and I choose, to paraphrase Mark Twain, keep my mouth shut and let everyone think I am a fool rather than open it and remove all doubt.

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I have a problem with a Religion host [View all] Goblinmonger Apr 2014 OP

my honest feelings are that Heddi Apr 2014 #1

I only start the thread because he's a host. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #2

I completely agree with you, and when I read that post last night Heddi Apr 2014 #5

Here's a summary of all non-archived discussions by Religion group hosts struggle4progress Apr 2014 #53

I find your post ironic. Maedhros Apr 2014 #151

Morning Goblinmonger, the alert and jury function are always an option in this Group as in any other pinto Apr 2014 #3

I have no desire to send them to jury Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #4

Yeah, get that about the room. Most times I like the back and forth, but sometimes... pinto Apr 2014 #8

You could try ATA but I think complaining to Religion group hosts has better prospects of success struggle4progress Apr 2014 #40

Admin is pretty clear hosts get to do what they want Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #43

I clicked on the link and read all the posts in question. thucythucy Apr 2014 #9

You don't "a dog in this fight"? Well, if you say so. mr blur Apr 2014 #12

By "not having a dog in this fight" thucythucy Apr 2014 #23

Just a point on agnosticism... MellowDem Apr 2014 #233

If this were a safe haven and that person not a host Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #25

Yes, interesting rhetoric JNelson6563 Apr 2014 #30

This not being a "safe haven" cuts both ways. thucythucy Apr 2014 #38

Ouch! Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #410

There's no way i'd ever choose to be a host Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #68

I think the problem Goblinmonger has is with the host. The alert function Autumn Apr 2014 #6

I can't imagine why you would be "scared to post in here" struggle4progress Apr 2014 #18

Religion is a terrifying thing to discuss. Autumn Apr 2014 #19

I LOVE Laurel and Hardy. Nt. thucythucy Apr 2014 #27

I didn't know the host status was on that one. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #7

I wouldn't hold my breath Rob H. Apr 2014 #11

Perhaps some of these links will help you make your case struggle4progress Apr 2014 #15

You are free to contact the other hosts and ask for my removal: IMO the original agreement struggle4progress Apr 2014 #10

Do you really believe this nonsense? Sadly, you probaby do. mr blur Apr 2014 #13

Perhaps you are upset because struggle4progress Apr 2014 #17

You carefully called one person a nazi and the other an anti-semite. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #14

You are free to contact the other hosts and ask for my removal: IMO the original agreement struggle4progress Apr 2014 #16

You should apologize for those remarks. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #29

Violating safe havens? Lordquinton Apr 2014 #69

That's not "violating" a safe haven. There are no secret societies on DU. rug Apr 2014 #90

Safe havens are places where posters are supposed to feel safe in posting Lordquinton Apr 2014 #229

People are allowed to read safe havens and link to them. there is no rule against it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #230

So because there is no rule against it it's not wrong? Lordquinton Apr 2014 #245

That is not true. Several members of AA have come to interfaith and two were banned. I banned one hrmjustin Apr 2014 #250

What I said was true Lordquinton Apr 2014 #401

First of all I was made a host because I post the most ops there and can keep an eye on the room. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #406

Atheists are allowed in interfaith but they can not criticize people of faith. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #412

If you think certain people should not be able to view the A/A group, I'm sure site Administrators struggle4progress Apr 2014 #232

There are also closed facebook sites and a few sites dedicated to monitoring & complaining about DU. rug Apr 2014 #237

And they're not places for gossip, personal attacks and ridicule of other DU groups and members. rug Apr 2014 #235

You shouldn't hate yourself Lordquinton Apr 2014 #244

QED. rug Apr 2014 #247

I want to discuss it in here; we are a community. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #26

Not 'somehow', the connection is plain. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #171

Current hosting of this group allows you to trawl for reactions, though there is no guarantee struggle4progress Apr 2014 #172

I pointed out precedent in the source documentation of Abrahamic religions. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #175

He's a host of this forum??? Iggo Apr 2014 #20

So what? TM99 Apr 2014 #21

Yes, many of the "liberal" and "progressive" believers here skepticscott Apr 2014 #22

I can always count on you TM99 Apr 2014 #77

You're new here grasshopper, so let me clue you in a wee bit A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #126

Yes, I am relatively new here. TM99 Apr 2014 #134

"So what rules of the 'new' DU now allow this meme to resurface?" A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #141

OK, I understand. TM99 Apr 2014 #146

HERETIC: Thanks for the background! Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #246

Yeah...looked through that thread....... A HERETIC I AM Apr 2014 #251

Well, looks like things are going OK here. Even staying on the legal side Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #267

Yawn. Been there, done that. skepticscott Apr 2014 #169

Repeatedly and pointlessly. rug Apr 2014 #174

Here is the action that I am going to take. TM99 Apr 2014 #190

You do realize none of that deals with your behavior/attitude Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #207

Really? TM99 Apr 2014 #210

You broke your own vow within 4 hours. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #212

How so? TM99 Apr 2014 #213

I think I have been dealing with s4p just fine. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #214

Then we have nothing more to directly discuss in this thread. TM99 Apr 2014 #218

Well stated. rug Apr 2014 #215

In other words, you have no intention skepticscott Apr 2014 #238

Interfaith is for everyone. Check out the Group SOP. MADem Apr 2014 #456

I have now done so TM99 Apr 2014 #457

He was informed of the nature of the Interfaith Group skepticscott Apr 2014 #467

I have yet to read an original comment under your name, let alone a civil one. rug Apr 2014 #92

If he weren't a host. I would not have started this thread Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #28

S4p did not call you a Nazi. okasha Apr 2014 #34

Yes. It was all couched in vagueness Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #36

Now that is funny. okasha Apr 2014 #41

Did that really go over your head? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #44

Nope. okasha Apr 2014 #52

If you think Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #54

Just like the vagueness of the anti-semitism at the end of an article you linked to earlier in an OP Leontius Apr 2014 #66

Here's that thread for those interested: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #67

Just as well the 'Columbus Atheism Examiner' isn't a host on DU, then muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #74

I missed what you are referring to could you give me a post number so I can go back Leontius Apr 2014 #145

There are 2 threads that this OP links to muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #148

Found the thread and S4P did jump to the anti-semitism conclusion wrongly I think. Leontius Apr 2014 #160

We are briefly discussing this earlier OP by Goblinmonger struggle4progress Apr 2014 #152

I don't think you understood my post. TM99 Apr 2014 #78

You know who else didn't like comedies? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #79

OMG! TM99 Apr 2014 #82

I didn't call you a Nazi. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #84

You implied it. TM99 Apr 2014 #87

The point of this thread Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #88

I asked you TM99 Apr 2014 #89

I keep going like always. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #97

It still sounds like TM99 Apr 2014 #125

First of all, there is no group that I have. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #128

Now you just aren't making any sense. TM99 Apr 2014 #137

You keep asking me what I'm going to do Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #143

To answer your questions TM99 Apr 2014 #147

Did I? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #91

This is all you have? TM99 Apr 2014 #103

Yeah, I'm kind of a one-trick pony like that. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #109

Nope. TM99 Apr 2014 #123

The thread you link was hidden by a DU3 jury, somehow randomly selected by the DU3 software struggle4progress Apr 2014 #130

I didn't mean to imply you did the alerting Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #157

You might feel better when I tell you that my alerts do not always succeed either struggle4progress Apr 2014 #158

Not particularly Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #164

Quick! Start a thread! rug Apr 2014 #93

I agree with those two comments being over the line LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #24

Any host from any group or forum can post in the Forum & Group Hosts forum, and struggle4progress Apr 2014 #47

Thank you very much! (nt) LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #50

One qualifier to that-- hosts don't always... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #70

To my knowledge, all substantive discussion by the Religion group hosts has occurred struggle4progress Apr 2014 #105

With Religion, that makes sense with all that goes on there, and... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #106

Unless you think DU hosting is a religious duty, this sniveling violates this Group's SoP. rug Apr 2014 #31

In the interests of fairness, I should point out that about a week ago struggle4progress Apr 2014 #115

As it is, this thread has become a parade of baboons flashing their asses to see whose is redder. rug Apr 2014 #163

Yes. Unfortunately, it's typical of threads in the Religion Group. Jim__ Apr 2014 #166

Now we know what happens when you combine meta with personality. rug Apr 2014 #167

I thought you brought up trying to change tone last night Heddi Apr 2014 #170

Do a screen shot of the posts after that. rug Apr 2014 #173

Show me posts that *I* made that counter what I posted to you Heddi Apr 2014 #176

Then you should post screenshots of the replies I make to you rug Apr 2014 #177

I have a problem okasha Apr 2014 #32

Your opinion is duly noted and expected. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #33

Which, of course, you weren't. But you were having a hearty chortle over these deaths. rug Apr 2014 #35

I like black humor just fine. okasha Apr 2014 #37

"before you hurt yourself worse" Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #39

It means okasha Apr 2014 #42

Losing credibility with you? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #46

No one has actually called you a Nazi. okasha Apr 2014 #57

The fact that you are being so supportive Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #58

Just so we're being honest, okasha Apr 2014 #59

Really, I didn't know that. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #62

Don't you mean "implying" you were a Nazi? okasha Apr 2014 #63

Well, your vote is noted. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #65

Let's be clear: what "pretty bad form"? rug Apr 2014 #61

I love how you're being told "YOU weren't called a Nazi...you were compared to one...possibly." Heddi Apr 2014 #45

Go for it! In the name of Science! rug Apr 2014 #48

stating facts is now "striking a pose?" Heddi Apr 2014 #49

Any resemblance between the opinions you stated and facts is coincidental. rug Apr 2014 #51

I can do it. Can you? Can others? More so...will they? Will I? Heddi Apr 2014 #55

We'll see. The starting point is acknowledging it has to stop. rug Apr 2014 #56

Don't bring up any issue to do with LGBT'ers with rug, he has no opinion on them... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #71

Would you like to be less cryptic? rug Apr 2014 #94

I would like you to be less cryptic... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #117

Since you haven't answered, I'll be less cryptic: rug Apr 2014 #162

No, I don't have enough information to judge whether you are a homophobe or not. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #355

FWIW, I thought struggle4progress should have consdiered their position as host muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #60

Thanks for that Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #64

Do you expect the poster, host or no host, who posts stuff like this... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #72

Charming. That post is actually a TOS violation. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #75

You're free to alert on that post: it hasn't fallen into the archives yet. It's too late to ask struggle4progress Apr 2014 #111

I know, I alerted on it, and, surprise surprise, it didn't get hidden. n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #118

Perhaps a certain level of reading proficiency should be a requirement for posting at DU struggle4progress Apr 2014 #122

I wasn't the only one who objected to that post, or recognized it for what it was. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #124

You might feel better when I tell you that my alerts do not always succeed either struggle4progress Apr 2014 #127

Given the context of that thread, I see no problem with the cited post. - n/t Jim__ Apr 2014 #73

Btw, OP jury results PunkinPi Apr 2014 #76

FWIW, the alerter is wrong - Skinner has been pretty clear it's up to the group to agitate muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #99

#115 upthread may be relevant struggle4progress Apr 2014 #121

Ah, you were the atheist who objected to atheist bigotry being called bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #80

I believe they feel that they are opposed to a belief not believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #81

A jury of your peers agreed that your post should be locked. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #83

But YOU were the one who whined about it Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #85

When did I say that? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #86

It was clearly implied Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #119

You have my exact wording. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #129

The ONLY way your alert makes sense would be if no atheist, anywhere were bigoted Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #357

Just so I'm clear Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #358

I decryed atheist bigotry Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #360

How have I engaged in an ad hom? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #361

FA, you've made it clear your concept of "evidence" is weak. trotsky Apr 2014 #362

The religion forum is pretty tribal these days el_bryanto Apr 2014 #95

Is the instance in question Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #96

I don't pay attention to who is a host and who isn't el_bryanto Apr 2014 #100

I think it is horribly disingenuous to say I'm reading into it. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #102

Ah yes - well i've been accused of being disingenuous as well - regularly and repeatedly. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #104

The Religion group has exactly 5 hosts, pursuant to the hosting agreement struggle4progress Apr 2014 #108

So 2 believers 2 atheists and . . . ? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #110

Our top host often does not engage in hosting discussions and is primarily available struggle4progress Apr 2014 #112

So the top host would be the one to remove you if it's felt you went too far? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #114

Read the hosting agreement, that I linked for you: I don't think it gives the top host struggle4progress Apr 2014 #116

Do you stand by your statement in that other thread, by the way? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #131

See #10 struggle4progress Apr 2014 #133

So in other words you are comfortable suggesting that Goblinmonger is akin to a Nazi? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #136

See #10 struggle4progress Apr 2014 #139

Do you have a macro to just paste "See #10." el_bryanto Apr 2014 #140

I'll repaste my response #10 to Goblinmonger here; there's no point in saying it struggle4progress Apr 2014 #142

I agree there's no point in saying the same thing again and again. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #144

You may wish to review the subthread of which Goblinmonger complains: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #149

You forgot one part Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #154

Perhaps a certain level of reading proficiency should be a requirement for posting at DU struggle4progress Apr 2014 #156

Thank you for explaining to me what I already read el_bryanto Apr 2014 #161

And I responded to 10 Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #138

No, I think it does give them freedom to remove you - that's why we wanted them as top host muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #132

See #10 struggle4progress Apr 2014 #135

That reminds me of this one article I love to link LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #113

Well exactly - and given the moral stance many take against religion el_bryanto Apr 2014 #120

I'm afraid that your perspective is faulty. mr blur Apr 2014 #98

Ah - that's convenient. So your tribe is pretty much blameless and my tribe is pretty much guilty? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #101

As an Atheist myself, my limited interactions with other Atheists on this forum Maedhros Apr 2014 #153

Accurately stated. rug Apr 2014 #165

Well, given the behavior exhibited by other hosts in here... trotsky Apr 2014 #107

I'm a host of this group. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #150

IIRC we have temporarily banned exactly two people, each twice now, one theist and one anti-theist struggle4progress Apr 2014 #155

I think I have been pretty clear. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #159

You've been very clear. trotsky Apr 2014 #178

. rug Apr 2014 #179

I; think you:re just -- grump'y because I disagree,d with you'r theories) (about punctuation struggle4progress Apr 2014 #188

Yes I agree that the software can take care of the issue. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #168

Who's asking for the banning of a longtime member? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #183

I never said you did say that. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #185

What do you think about struggle4progress accusing AtheistCrusader of anti-semitism? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #195

I think it is, too. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #197

I think the words could have been more carefully chosen. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #202

The thread was about messages from God; AC brought up a famous biblical example muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #203

Your point is taken but I don't think it was his intention to say that the poster was anti-Semitic. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #204

Maybe not but when I went back and read that thread I think it went to far and does seem Leontius Apr 2014 #221

People make mistakes. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #222

They most certainly do it's called being human. Leontius Apr 2014 #223

The following mechanisms are available at DU3 for handling posts one dislikes: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #225

Considering what I have been called by certain posters in this forum I don't Leontius Apr 2014 #227

Or they Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #236

As Goblinmonger self-describes as struggle4progress Apr 2014 #240

You're a piece of work Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #249

Here are some of the key attributes of being a Christian as I understand it: trotsky Apr 2014 #252

I've noticed that when you do apologize to an atheist or ask to clarify your comments el_bryanto Apr 2014 #253

I'm so sorry to hear that. trotsky Apr 2014 #255

Move on? Are you suggesting, as so many atheist have done, that I leave the religion forum? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #257

Nope, I'm saying that you seem to be disregarding Jesus' teachings. trotsky Apr 2014 #261

thank you for explaining Christianity to me. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #264

What do you think Jesus meant when he said that his followers should... trotsky Apr 2014 #265

You insulted DU Chistians here. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #266

Are you saying you don't think those are key attributes of being a Christian? trotsky Apr 2014 #268

You posted this. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #269

I ask again, what exactly is the insult? trotsky Apr 2014 #270

Your accusing us of being unchristian. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #272

Yet DU Christians routinely claim other people aren't being Christian.. trotsky Apr 2014 #273

Yes it is reasonable to point out a group or person is being hypocritcal but it can be taken hrmjustin Apr 2014 #277

Yes, I am a horrible person and deserve to be treated badly. That is well established. trotsky Apr 2014 #278

No it can be taken as an insult. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #280

So what I say is true and correct, trotsky Apr 2014 #287

No I think you going after the members of this board who are Christians for not being acting hrmjustin Apr 2014 #293

You bet your ass I'm hostile to hypocrites. trotsky Apr 2014 #301

No believers are hostile as well. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #303

Then name them. trotsky Apr 2014 #304

No. I called you out because of what you said. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #307

But you won't call out any DU Christians because of what they've said. trotsky Apr 2014 #309

That is not true. but people I am on good terms with I usually send a pm to. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #311

Like I said, I got it. trotsky Apr 2014 #318

You didn't read what I wrote. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #320

Yup, got it. trotsky Apr 2014 #322

You do that but to be honest I don't care. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #323

Likewise, hrmjustin. trotsky Apr 2014 #329

While I agree I could always improve myself I am a very polite poster. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #332

Like calling us antisemitic? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #275

As I said I think he should have used different words and you have reason to be upset. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #276

That's not saying it was out of line or unChristian. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #279

How do you know what I said to S4P? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #282

I thought you said he accused you of anti-semitism. When did you shift it to plural? rug Apr 2014 #345

The anti-semitism part is about Atheist Crusader the nazi part is about Goblinmonger. Leontius Apr 2014 #349

Who did he say tortured puppies? rug Apr 2014 #350

It was that big guy with the cat tatoos. Leontius Apr 2014 #351

I don't think you are being nasty and insulting right now - you generally aren't el_bryanto Apr 2014 #271

If you want to go with the tribe meme, then that's all DU is. trotsky Apr 2014 #274

Do you perfectly uphold all of your principals all the time? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #281

I don't think anyone can! trotsky Apr 2014 #291

I didn't say that. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #292

Actually I do find the tribe meme interesting LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #285

Why do you cite people who never existed? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #417

I'm sorry that happened. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #259

That is my experience in this room. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #260

Perhaps you could teach us by example. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #254

I'm not the one who claims to be a Christian. trotsky Apr 2014 #256

well it was worth a shot. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #258

I haven't said someone is acting like a Nazi. trotsky Apr 2014 #262

I never said you did. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #263

It occurs to me belatedly okasha Apr 2014 #180

Just so we are clear. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #181

You're a believer - just so you know that taken to extremes can lead to killing children el_bryanto Apr 2014 #182

Who has said that though? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #184

How demure. rug Apr 2014 #187

Tribalism - your tribe is guilty, my tribe is innocent el_bryanto Apr 2014 #189

That's bull and you know it everyone knows the implications made on every one Leontius Apr 2014 #224

People make mistakes. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #226

We'll end on agreement then. Leontius Apr 2014 #228

Just so we are clear okasha Apr 2014 #186

You want to talk about toxic behavior, okasha? trotsky Apr 2014 #191

Is Okasha the person who said those things? or someone else? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #192

She knows. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #193

I don't - that's why I asked. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #194

No, I'm not. okasha Apr 2014 #198

That callout rule is so stupid it boggles the mind el_bryanto Apr 2014 #199

No, it's about the inconsistency. trotsky Apr 2014 #200

Are you opposed to toxic behavior? Or are you fine with it? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #201

Quite honestly, it's to be expected. trotsky Apr 2014 #205

And I'd like to see certain people stop pretending that all atheists in this forum want el_bryanto Apr 2014 #208

Well now you're asking about motives instead of hypocrisy. trotsky Apr 2014 #209

Nods - and you at least have been honest about where you are coming from with regards to believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #211

No one argued that you needed to abandon your religion skepticscott Apr 2014 #231

"others have told me his replies are nothing but snark and personal attacks" rug Apr 2014 #219

Does make one wonder who these "others" might be Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #369

There was a call-out rule enforced by DU2 moderators: no such rule exists explicitly struggle4progress Apr 2014 #216

As far as I can recall, cbayer has never stated in this forum whether she is an atheist or struggle4progress Apr 2014 #241

It would be beneficial to tell the entire story concerning cbayer's father... trotsky Apr 2014 #248

Like much of the rest of this thread, opinions about cbayer's father seem off-topic struggle4progress Apr 2014 #325

You're Google skills are lacking on this one. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #326

She didn't accuse DUers either. rug Apr 2014 #328

I guess I never saw that thread. Anyone who found her post offensive, of course, was free struggle4progress Apr 2014 #330

By that logic, then... trotsky Apr 2014 #333

Again: there's no point in turning this thread into a free-for-all attack on folk you dislike struggle4progress Apr 2014 #334

I made no reference to any individual in that post. trotsky Apr 2014 #337

This post should not have anything to do with cbayer and she should not have been brought up hrmjustin Apr 2014 #338

You are the one who brought up the topic of "hatred" of cbayer and her father. trotsky Apr 2014 #327

Boy, what a class act you are! Nothing toxic about trotsky is there? Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #415

I don't know why your family was brought up here but it is sad. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #416

It is very sad, but appears to be the usual tactic of last resort. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #419

Thanks. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #420

I don't wonder. I am compelled by the evidence. rug Apr 2014 #418

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Apr 2014 #206

He's continuing his vendetta against cbayer, complete with the same misquotes he's always used. rug Apr 2014 #217

It does seem odd to mention cbayer in an OP allegedly discussing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #220

Well stated... rexcat Apr 2014 #196

Why not just self delete the offending post? bravenak Apr 2014 #234

IIRC here's what the hosts have done since December 2011: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #239

OK, to be clear: I'm asking you to resign, and I'm asking the other hosts to persuade you muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #319

You're welcome to do that struggle4progress Apr 2014 #321

This has been an interesting thread and I learned a lot more how DU works goldent Apr 2014 #242

Different group hosts may handle "inappropriate behavior" differently struggle4progress Apr 2014 #243

Or doesn't work? nt mr blur Apr 2014 #341

Are you saying DU doesn't work? rug Apr 2014 #346

I would like to add this thread to the mix Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #283

What are you doing? Rug is not a host of this room! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #284

I am talking about s4p in that thread Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #288

No it was your first paragraph. I thought you were talking about rug. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #289

I can see the confusion Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #290

If you read it you must have taken me off your alleged ignore. rug Apr 2014 #286

the other poster got a hidden post because of what he said. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #294

And, of course, Religion group hosts play no role whatsoever in DU3 jury decisions struggle4progress Apr 2014 #296

Thank God! I certainly would not want to be involved with that. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #298

Well, different people have different senses of humor. Some, for example, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #295

What an odd response all things considered. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #297

I think my #295 is simply a factual statement struggle4progress Apr 2014 #299

Comedy is about timing Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #302

Why on earth do you keep mentioning me? rug Apr 2014 #306

Clearly a jury didn't like the reception Struggle4progress got. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #308

Juries get things wrong quite a bit Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #310

I think he deserved the hide. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #312

If that deserved a hide Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #313

You made a mistake in not alerting on it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #314

He's still free to alert on it. It's too late to send it to a jury, but Administration says struggle4progress Apr 2014 #317

Complaints about jury decisions should be addressed to administration struggle4progress Apr 2014 #316

I'll save anyone the trouble wondering what the ATA response would be Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #324

To reiterate: Religion group hosts can't do anything about DU3 jury decisiions struggle4progress Apr 2014 #331

This deserves repetition: trotsky Apr 2014 #335

And there are three other hosts you can ask to remove him. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #336

Removing him as a host, and condoning his behavior (as you have done), are two different topics. trotsky Apr 2014 #339

I did not condon what he did. I just don't think he needs to be removed. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #340

Two separate issues. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #342

Fine. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #343

Says who? rug Apr 2014 #344

I mentioned no one in that thread. Of the twenty-some posts there, about eight consist struggle4progress Apr 2014 #315

See #239 struggle4progress Apr 2014 #300

If you dislike my posts in that thread, you are free to alert, of course struggle4progress Apr 2014 #305

I'M ABANDONING THIS THREAD NOW struggle4progress Apr 2014 #347

The 300 Spartans left 3 days ago. rug Apr 2014 #348

The one thing I am grateful for with this thread... trotsky Apr 2014 #352

OMG, you called believers "Republicans and other right-wingers"! I must start a thread! rug Apr 2014 #353

And he got to kick the thread. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #354

Apparently quitting this thread skepticscott Apr 2014 #356

Oh dear, somehow, we'll have to just muddle through without you. mr blur Apr 2014 #366

And again, you show your blindness, wilful or otherwise, to why you were offensive muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #512

Re: the fate of "Stuggle-4-Progress" vs. psychologist "TM99"?, vs. Democratic Underground host Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #359

Are you accusing TM99 of being Struggle4Progress's sock puppet? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #365

Excuse me? TM99 Apr 2014 #367

Apparently the two of you are not related? Though you have some surprising similarities Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #370

You should self delete that comment. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #371

Honest confusion. "Sock puppet" was not my language Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #373

You need to edit it or self delete. your post implies it is the same person. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #374

You can feel free to alert on the post if you wish. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #379

You want us to step in for s4p you need to ask the top host. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #382

Done Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #387

Your own decision. not mine. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #388

You made it clear it was the only way the hosts would discuss it Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #390

You think S4P's actions are fitting for a forum host? Lordquinton Apr 2014 #405

I gave my answer. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #409

Who did you send this to? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #393

Renew Deal Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #395

He is the head host. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #398

Yeah, I get that. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #403

There is no official rule on it but since he is head host he can do it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #407

Oh, please let's just be honest here shall we. TM99 Apr 2014 #384

So this is an instance of what people are talking about Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #376

I am a host sir and the other hosts want him to correct this, hrmjustin Apr 2014 #377

That's not your job, sir. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #378

I am not saying we are banning him. I want to see him correct the record. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #380

That's not your job. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #383

It certainly is his job. rug Apr 2014 #385

I am not self deleting anything. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #386

Perhaps you shouldn't have said anything and just alerted Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #389

I don't need your permission to post here. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #392

No you don't Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #394

I will post what I feel I need to. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #396

Best. Typo. Ever. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #400

If you read my posts you will know I never included the word only. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #402

Do you really not remember what you said? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #404

I gave you my answer. I never said only but mostly. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #408

No one said you did. trotsky Apr 2014 #397

What double standard? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #399

Wait---upthread you mention NUMEROUS that "hosts don't police the threads" Heddi Apr 2014 #421

I as a member asked for a correction. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #422

No, you as a HOST asked for a deletion, and cited OTHER HOSTS as agreeing with you Heddi Apr 2014 #423

we pmed each other. you can ask the other hosts. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #424

So you don't deny that you used your host status incorrectly, knowing full well Heddi Apr 2014 #425

First Off anyone can make points here. I admit that I should not have mentioned my host status but I hrmjustin Apr 2014 #426

No one is saying you can't "make points," but you can't do it under the guise of being a host Heddi Apr 2014 #427

I am done talking to you. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #428

You're awesome. Perfect for hosting a group Heddi Apr 2014 #429

Don't worry. my time as a host will be over soon. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #430

Oh gee. Don't go. Without you, we'd have no one to police the posts you don't like Heddi Apr 2014 #431

I am not joking. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #432

I thought you weren't talking to me anymore Heddi Apr 2014 #433

Beats the hell out of the whining and pissing and moaning in aa group. Leontius Apr 2014 #435

Oh, but pissing and moaning in any other group is okay? Heddi Apr 2014 #436

Oh, come on now... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #437

Took a look at thread titles for page one of interfaith Leontius Apr 2014 #487

What do you care about that? mr blur Apr 2014 #442

For your first question, I don't care just making an observation of the content of your little group Leontius Apr 2014 #484

Nope, no similiarities at all. TM99 Apr 2014 #381

FWIW, I don't think you are a sock puppet Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #391

Except: 1) Lucumi in the US was usually in the form of Santeria; a mix of Lucumi and Catholicism. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #513

Please stop hijacking other's threads. TM99 Apr 2014 #514

I'm responding briefly to YOUR OWN earlier response Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #515

I'm taking you off ignore for the sole purpose of briefly responding to your OP cbayer Apr 2014 #363

Wow, that's a lot of malarkey to concentrate in one post. trotsky Apr 2014 #364

Let me offer one more word: laconicsax rug Apr 2014 #375

I could offer at least two more words skepticscott Apr 2014 #411

Do you actually think any of that warrants a civil reply? rug Apr 2014 #413

Welcome back! rug Apr 2014 #372

Yo Dawg! Whazzup Heddi Apr 2014 #510

Congratulations! Definitely the most entertaining thread in ages. Starboard Tack Apr 2014 #368

Niagara Falls! pinto Apr 2014 #414

I want to let everyone know I have decided to stand down as host of this room. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #434

I am sorry to see you step down as host due to this game. TM99 Apr 2014 #438

Thank you for your kind words. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #441

OH, stop your whining. mr blur Apr 2014 #443

Proving my point and confirming that my described process is pretty TM99 Apr 2014 #445

The sad thing is that you are working on your fifth hide. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #446

I see you are working on improving the tone in this group. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #444

Goblinmonster perhaps it is time you self deleted this thread. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #447

It will drop when nobody replies Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #448

Lol I thought it was monster. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #449

I always go by avatars, too. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #450

Thanks for the correction. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #451

Oh, now you've opened a can of worms... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #465

Yes, I'm sure a lot of people skepticscott Apr 2014 #452

What is it about me that bothers you? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #453

Perhaps you need to recognize that TM99 Apr 2014 #458

Ignore me or don't. I don't care. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #461

I am not ignoring you TM99 Apr 2014 #477

You might have a semblance of a point skepticscott Apr 2014 #463

You have a typo: "the gang of septics". rug Apr 2014 #454

Au contraire, TM99 Apr 2014 #455

Well, you certainly raised the level of civil and rational discourse skepticscott Apr 2014 #460

look at yourself first. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #462

I'm not riding in here on my high horse skepticscott Apr 2014 #464

So that absolves you from civility? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #466

You asked what I don't like about you skepticscott Apr 2014 #468

And your problem is you cry about others being uncivil and insulting when you hrmjustin Apr 2014 #469

Sorry, bullshit skepticscott Apr 2014 #470

I have to remember to bookmark this thread. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #471

Let me try Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #472

Just jumping in to say that yup, that's it. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #473

I understand your point but I don't agree it is equal on both sides. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #474

I would argue that is just perspective Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #475

She still has my 100 percent backing. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #476

Do you agree with her, that if the evil atheists like me, GM, scott, etc.... trotsky Apr 2014 #478

She never said all atheists. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #479

Neither did he. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #480

Atheists say religious people are bigots all the time here. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #482

So as long as I don't name one, Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #485

That is not what she said. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #489

As GM pointed out, neither did I. trotsky Apr 2014 #481

She never pointed your names out and she did not say all atheists. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #483

Go to the thread and read the post she was replying to. trotsky Apr 2014 #486

stop putting yourself in things. she did not mean you or your friends here hrmjustin Apr 2014 #490

Tell you what. trotsky Apr 2014 #492

You can always nominate another believer. it has to be a believer. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #494

Why? You replaced cbayer. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #496

The host has to be a believer or sympathetic to them. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #497

OK. Cool. So it doesn't have to be a believer. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #500

But belevers have to be comfortable with the person. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #501

I would argue we all need to be comfortable with the person. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #502

You didn't fight him. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #503

Didn't say I did. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #504

Nominate someone else. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #505

xchrom would be at the top of my list. n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #498

nominate him. I am going to start the thread shortly. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #499

These are the kind of gymnastics Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #488

Well it is good to accept one has issues. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #491

Hell yeah! trotsky Apr 2014 #493

Ass kisser. Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #495

She'll probably hate you more skepticscott Apr 2014 #508

Lol! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #509

I never said atheists at all, for thst matter, okasha Apr 2014 #506

Well said. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #507

So, Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #439

I think it underlined handily what the Religion Forum is really all about. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #440

Yes it has.... Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #459

This thread is a little rough... goldent Apr 2014 #511

It is interesting that all the punishments you list... trotsky Apr 2014 #516

Yes, crucifixions were meted out by Christians. rug Apr 2014 #517

Does this mean you won't be high-fiving or fist-bumping? goldent Apr 2014 #518

Hooray for not being burned at the stake! trotsky Apr 2014 #519

Your view is rather narrow... rexcat Apr 2014 #520

Well, it was sort of intentionally restricted to goldent Apr 2014 #521

Putting this out of its misery Renew Deal Apr 2014 #522