I have a problem with a Religion host

[struggle4progress]

347. I'M ABANDONING THIS THREAD NOW

Its origins, so far as I can tell, lie in a prior conversation between myself and Goblinmonger, in which I encouraged him: If you have concerns about how the group is hosted, feel free to start a thread about that

The result is the somewhat muddy OP, which begins by complaining of my alleged Google-fu (vomiting as much stuff as possible to dilute and distract), unaccountably discusses former host cbayer, and appears to center on claims that I called Goblinmonger a Nazi and that I called AtheistCrusader an anti-semite

Apparently, both Google and cbayer are somehow important to this discussion, though I'm really not sure exactly why. I do consider it inappropriate to use such a thread to engage in off-topic attacks on various DUers that other DUers might dislike; there are (unfortunately) multiple instances of that in the thread, and cbayer is not the only target

Regarding what are, perhaps, the main claims:

(1) I deny calling Goblinmonger a Nazi or comparing him to concentration camp guards; I did object to laughing at the misfortunes of others; and I think it clear enough that my post (to which he objects) merely pointed that if one heads down that road far enough, one ends at an ugly place. Those who read that thread will see that Goblinmonger apparently thought a drowning was funny, because GM thought the person drowned was being baptized, though GM's view seems not to have changed on learning that the person who drowned was not being baptized

(2) I deny calling AtheistCrusader an anti-semite. AtheistCrusader somehow attempts to tie the sad story of two boys drowned in a bathtub by their mother to the story of Abraham and Isaac, as AtheistCrusader has confirmed. What I actually said to AC is: The notion, that Judaism commands child-sacrifice, is common anti-semitism, and to read the story, of Abraham and Isaac, as justifying human sacrifice, is cast from some similar mould. If you actually read that story, with any attention to even its broadest details, you might notice that Isaac is not sacrificed: the story, in fact, does not teach human sacrifice but rather the end of such sacrifice. The second sentence, of course, is standard Rabbinical interpretation of the story. The first clause of the first sentence is historically accurate. Presumably the second clause causes the offense. But it seems to me, that if someone who does not subscribe to a religion, insists on misrepresenting views of those who do subscribe to that religion, in order to score points, that is ugly, and it does not seem to me that those who engage in such trawling for a reaction have much complaint if a reaction results

Along the same lines, former Religion group host muriel_volestrangler objects to this post of mine; my response to VM is here

Various other issues have been raised. Warren Stupidly feels that an alleged obvious expressed hostility to atheists. I provided in that subthread a list of some of my posts regarding my attitude towards the relationship of my religious views to atheism. A more recent post of mine on the same topic can be found here. It is my experience here that such posts frequently receive little or no response; and these two posts have received none so far

To aid any discussion about possible hosting issues in this forum, I posted a summary of non-archived discussions in the Forum & Group Hosting forum; this post has received no response so far

Similarly I later posted a summary (to the best of my recollection) of the actual Religion group host actions since Dec 2011; the only response to this post so far is from former Religion group host muriel_volestrangler (linked above), who does not appear there actually object to any particular host action. In the same post, I note that Goblinmonger has not stated any particular complaint regarding how I have carried out my duties as host; would be free to invoke the DU3 jury system if he found my posts offensive (but is unwilling to do so), would be free to object to Administration if he found my posts offensive (but says it isn't bad enough to justify Administrative intervention), and would be free to contact other hosts requesting my removal as host (which GM also claims to be unwilling to do)

As I stated very early in the thread, it is my opinion that the original agreement on Religion group hosting would allow my removal as host if the other hosts agreed. Two other hosts have expressed the view that such issues can be resolved by the DU3 software -- which means that is their view that persons offended should primarily resort to DU3 juries. The Religion group hosts had a related discussion on this topic in the Forum & Group hosts forum Wed Sep 25, 2013, 02:47 PM, and it was my impression that the discussion was not entirely conclusive, though another host seems to have concluded the opposite

Much of this thread seems off-topic to me. For example, there is evident and considerable confusion about the relationship of Religion group hosts to DU3 jury hides: I have tried repeatedly to clarify that Religion group hosts have no power to hide individual posts and have no control over DU3 juries

At this point, I have said about all I can, and I consider it pointless to repeat myself. I do think Religion group participants have the right to input on group hosting, but there is very little discussion of any definite group hosting issues in this thread -- and large segments of the thread have become IMO a pointless clusterfugg. So I plan to abandon this thread for now