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edhopper

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23. It's a fictional story

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:18 PM

Apr 2014

Based on a Babylonian myth from the time the Hebrews were captives there. Where they weren't freed by God. The Jewish people were never slaves in Egypt, who didn't even have the type of bondage portrayed in the OT.
So it's a bullshit tale to reinforce that the Jewish people are chosen by God and given Israel.

And the OCD that people go through to avoid any grain becomes laughable.

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Passover 2014, The Unleavened Basics: Dates, Facts And History Of Pesach [View all] hrmjustin Apr 2014 OP

Passover is a pain for tax professionals this year Gothmog Apr 2014 #1

Yes I imagine so. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #2

And I find Passover absolutely ridiculous Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #3

So sorry for your loss. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #4

Thanks. Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #5

I am so sorry. And the holidays make it harder on you. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #6

I am sorry for your loss Gothmog Apr 2014 #16

Very sorry.... Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #78

I am sorry. Lost both my parents. 840high Apr 2014 #82

I am so sorry. LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #118

Sorry for your loss as well. Lost my dad last fall.... Still hard to believe he's not around to chat villager Apr 2014 #7

I'm in NYC again - but heading to Baltimore to spend time with friends Timez Squarez Apr 2014 #8

You're doing more wandering that one week than the Jews did in 40 years! villager Apr 2014 #9

Say "Hi!" to NYC for me. aquart Apr 2014 #56

I dunno. Why repeat that Christmas thing every year? aquart Apr 2014 #54

Are there no yearly rituals in which you participate? None? cbayer Apr 2014 #89

Is there any historical, archeological, 'official' non-Biblical evidence of Jewish slavery in Egypt? mr blur Apr 2014 #10

Well there is ongoing research but I think they will continue to celebrate the holiday. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #11

None... MellowDem Apr 2014 #12

Don't believe or celebrate it then. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #13

I don't, and I'll also comment on how strange/immoral it seems... MellowDem Apr 2014 #14

I have no doubt you will comment and am not surprised by how you do it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #15

And I'm not surprised you bring nothing of substance... MellowDem Apr 2014 #17

Well I am not the one insulting people and their religion. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #18

No, you're insulting me... MellowDem Apr 2014 #19

Well we all have opinions. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #20

Your opinion is a platitude... MellowDem Apr 2014 #21

I take it all on faith. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #22

Might as well say "I have nothing to say" MellowDem Apr 2014 #38

Look I don't mean to be disagreeable to you so we shall just have to disagree. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #40

May I jump in here having my morning coffee..? pangaia Apr 2014 #52

I said if they have a good reason to be... MellowDem Apr 2014 #72

But... Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #79

Wow.. who is that "Mellow" feller? pangaia Apr 2014 #51

Why, that's MellowDem, the mellowest feller around! cbayer Apr 2014 #90

Yup, thanks for the persona lesson.... pangaia Apr 2014 #92

I bet he's a Dem as well as Mellow. rug Apr 2014 #99

Well, life often demands we choose which side we are on struggle4progress Apr 2014 #35

God liked to support the rulers and condoned slavery... MellowDem Apr 2014 #41

You are free to choose which side you are on. Nothing in history occurs in isolation: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #42

Slavery was pervasive in the ancient world. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #47

And Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #80

Are you Jewish? struggle4progress Apr 2014 #86

Are you muslim? Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #94

Nope -- and so I refrain from speaking for Muslims struggle4progress Apr 2014 #111

so just to be clear, you never voice any opinions here about any religion or its beliefs Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #116

I think you may enjoy this short educational video struggle4progress Apr 2014 #121

They look like they had a lot of practice. rug Apr 2014 #122

So you demand my jewish credentials, out of the blue Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #123

Life is a struggle, and an ongoing conundrum. LTX Apr 2014 #44

I don't dismiss the Torah because it doesn't have a good god... MellowDem Apr 2014 #48

I don't think Judaism can be legitimately reduced to a "right" or "wrong" phonebook. LTX Apr 2014 #61

Very thoughtful response goldent Apr 2014 #81

outside of loons, no evidence at all. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #25

It could be a terrifying story for slave-holders to hear -- struggle4progress Apr 2014 #39

eh? Slavery was pervasive, including of course within Israeli society. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #45

I don't think slavery is legal in modern Israel, which is where Israelis are found struggle4progress Apr 2014 #58

Slavery is not legal anywhere in the world right now. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #59

To my knowledge, the Israelis have never allowed slavery struggle4progress Apr 2014 #60

If he had said Isrealites edhopper Apr 2014 #70

You're free to believe in occult mind-reading powers; I prefer not to believe in such powers struggle4progress Apr 2014 #73

So what was your problem with what he said edhopper Apr 2014 #74

I'm not an expert on ancient Israel. The texts, that we have, including those struggle4progress Apr 2014 #76

So if you knew he was talking about ancient iIsrael edhopper Apr 2014 #77

You asked "Do you dispute that there were slaves in ancient Israel?" and I answered you struggle4progress Apr 2014 #84

Oh fuck it edhopper Apr 2014 #85

Unless your priests, prophets or gods have them? mr blur Apr 2014 #97

Slaves have their hopes dashed. When Paul later said: "Slaves, obey your masters" (Eph. 6:5) Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #110

"And masters, treat your slaves in that same way" struggle4progress Apr 2014 #112

That's the problem with the Bible; 1) always entertaining rather opposing statements Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #114

It's a fictional story edhopper Apr 2014 #23

Your opinion. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #24

no justin, that is not just opinion. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #26

Ok well some believe it. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #27

some people believe the earth was created 6000 years ago or that God Hates Fags. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #29

I agred they are wrong on that. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #32

Some believe the world is only edhopper Apr 2014 #30

I agree they are wrong on that. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #31

And they are wrong about edhopper Apr 2014 #33

Oh well. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #34

Depends upon what you mean by validity. okasha Apr 2014 #43

Celebrating a myth edhopper Apr 2014 #53

It is the sign of intellectually mature beings skepticscott Apr 2014 #55

That is very well said edhopper Apr 2014 #57

What are they? LTX Apr 2014 #62

Fiction edhopper Apr 2014 #65

Among many things skepticscott Apr 2014 #87

But figuratively so? LTX Apr 2014 #96

I'm not sure what "figuratively true" would mean here skepticscott Apr 2014 #102

Well put. LTX Apr 2014 #104

" in 'sacred time,' which means that it is eternally contemporary."? Pure sophistry. mr blur Apr 2014 #98

there is some evidence Mosby Apr 2014 #71

There is no evidence of a Hebrew population edhopper Apr 2014 #75

What one might look for perhaps depends on how one reads the stories struggle4progress Apr 2014 #83

The bit about not eating grain edhopper Apr 2014 #28

Not eating grain? okasha Apr 2014 #36

I know edhopper Apr 2014 #49

The issue is leavening not grain Mosby Apr 2014 #67

TRADITION! edhopper Apr 2014 #68

It has had an enduring inspirational value, whatever its origins struggle4progress Apr 2014 #37

especially the inspirational slaughter of egyptian children. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #46

And God delivered the black people from slavery edhopper Apr 2014 #50

I am glad you understand the relationship between slavey and the US civil war struggle4progress Apr 2014 #63

Just by Southern assholes edhopper Apr 2014 #64

What is the "OCD" that people go through? cbayer Apr 2014 #91

I was being snarky edhopper Apr 2014 #93

I have a good friend who keeps kosher. cbayer Apr 2014 #95

I don't needle my relatives about this edhopper Apr 2014 #107

How do you feel about vegans? rug Apr 2014 #100

So I shouldn't have an opinion about people edhopper Apr 2014 #101

Do you have a different opinion on similar behavior dependent on the presence of a religious motive? rug Apr 2014 #103

Well motive is important edhopper Apr 2014 #105

Thanks for the answer. rug Apr 2014 #106

Glad I could edhopper Apr 2014 #109

Thanks for the post, I learned a bit more about Passover, and googled to find out goldent Apr 2014 #66

The Seder plate is just for the rituals edhopper Apr 2014 #69

Yeah, I figured there was something beyond the Seder plate goldent Apr 2014 #115

There are usually items from the seder plate that are passed around for the ceremony before the meal edhopper Apr 2014 #119

I have been to some wonderful seders over the years. cbayer Apr 2014 #88

But I heard of someone leaving Judaism. On seeing Passover as mass murder of Egyptian sons Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #108

there are other problems with the slaying iof the firstborn. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #117

Unless it's Debra Paget edhopper Apr 2014 #120

In part, if it happened, it was "ethnic cleansing" and more. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #124

Thanks for this. I'm unfamiliar with, or have forgotten, many Passover traditions. pinto Apr 2014 #113